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#1 of 22 OFFLINE   Andrew Radke

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Posted October 04 2008 - 04:13 AM

I just found out about this at TSoD:

Mr. Bean DVD news: Announcement for Mr. Bean - The Ultimate Collection | TVShowsOnDVD.com

I already own the "Whole Bean" box set as well as the first movie, but I'm willing to double dip on 2 conditions:

1. The missing scenes from the previous set be included on this one (i.e. the the scene where Bean weighs the turkey in the Christmas episode). I remember reading that the previous set contains the episodes as they are originally aired, and that the extra scenes were filmed to pad the running time when the show aired on a station that didn't have commercial breaks. Whatever the reason, intentional or not, those scenes ARE part of the show and should be included.

2. The first feature film be anamorphically enhanced as the existing release is not.

The only other reasons I'd want this is for the cartoon series as well as the second movie.
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Posted October 04 2008 - 05:36 AM

I'd love to have Mr. Bean on DVD- but if these eps are as heavily edited as the former sets...I'll continue to pass.

From what I've heard, ALL the eps (on the previous releases) are heavily edited, and are missing many scenes that those of us who are used to having seen the show on PBS are familiar with.

I'm not holding my breathe.....

#3 of 22 OFFLINE   Jeff Jacobson

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Posted October 04 2008 - 12:48 PM

Another issue: Animated episodes should be uncropped. I remember reading that they were released cropped to 4:3 (from 16:9).

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Posted October 06 2008 - 12:42 AM

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The missing scenes from the previous set be included on this one (i.e. the the scene where Bean weighs the turkey in the Christmas episode). I remember reading that the previous set contains the episodes as they are originally aired, and that the extra scenes were filmed to pad the running time when the show aired on a station that didn't have commercial breaks. Whatever the reason, intentional or not, those scenes ARE part of the show and should be included.
I'd love to have Mr. Bean on DVD- but if these eps are as heavily edited as the former sets...I'll continue to pass.

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From what I've heard, ALL the eps (on the previous releases) are heavily edited, and are missing many scenes that those of us who are used to having seen the show on PBS are familiar with.


You are both wrong about the "extra" scenes being a "part of the show." I was once felt the exact same way you did (thinking A&E did a poor edit job), but I found out the real truth on an old thread, either here or on DVD Talk.

As you, I hope, know, Mr. Bean originally aired on British television on ITV, the main commercial network in the UK. All episodes, therefore, were planned for ad breaks and ran about 25 minutes.

The very first network to buy the series in the USA was HBO (I remember all the reviews, advertising, promotion, etc. very well, and still have off-airs). HBO is commercial-free of course, and apparently, they were able to get the syndicators to edit back in some scenes that were cut so they could pad out the running times of a few episodes (notably, the "Do It Yourself Mr. Bean" episode with the elderly couple and the recliner). This was done without the knowledge (or consent) of Rowan Atkinson or the series producers.

Do a forum search on Mr. Bean both here and at DVD Talk and you should be able to find the thread I'm talking about. Somewhere in there is a very detailed explanation about what happened to the episodes when they came over here.

Richie, you are badly mistaken about the editing. Only a couple of the HBO episodes had any extra scenes, so "every" episode was not edited from what you remember.

None of the episodes on the A&E set are edited. They are the original UK version. For some reason, the "turkey weight-guessing" secne was included, in the R2/R4 releases that came out at the time of the A&E sets. Only thing I can guess is they might've pulled the American "added-to" version off the shelf by mistake.

All episodes on the set are the way they originally aired, end of story. Yes, HBO did add a couple of minutes of footage here and there (and to the best of my memory, only in the "Christmas" and "Do It Yourself" episodes), but just because they're longer doesn't make them the "correct" versions.

Granted, it would've been nice if these bits of footage could've been included as deleted scenes (and that the turkey scene could've been included).

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I'm not holding my breathe.....

As to what I expect to see, I bet this is pretty much just a straight repackage like the bulk of stuff from A&E, so I wouldn't hold my "breathe" (or, indeed, breath) for A&E to make any changes to the actual content of the episodes themselves (including fixing the wrong aspect ratio on the cartoons). Could be wrong, but they never did fix those edited Monty Python episodes in the multitude of times they repackaged those sets (I find their presentation of Flying Circus, with random edits here and there for no good reason, much more objectionable).

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Posted October 06 2008 - 02:39 AM

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Richie, you are badly mistaken about the editing. Only a couple of the HBO episodes had any extra scenes, so "every" episode was not edited from what you remember.

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I've never seen the show on HBO- only on PBS- and from reviews on Amazon, it seems that a lot of what I saw in the PBS eps was butchered when they went to DVD(I don't remember the details...but remember coming away with the idea that significant ammounts of material is missing from many eps- material that us Americans are used to seeing. I mean, even if the shows were chopped for their airing across the pond, we are used to seeing the complete versions...so giving us eps that are chopped down and don't contain what we saw when we watched the series on TV, is hardly a way to sell DVDs- even if that was the way show originally aired in Brittain.)

I'll see what the reviews say when the set comes out- I hope that you are right, and I am wrong, as I'd love to have the set.

#6 of 22 OFFLINE   AndyMcKinney

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Posted October 06 2008 - 05:04 AM

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I've never seen the show on HBO- only on PBS- and from reviews on Amazon, it seems that a lot of what I saw in the PBS eps was butchered when they went to DVD(I don't remember the details...but remember coming away with the idea that significant ammounts of material is missing from many eps- material that us Americans are used to seeing. I mean, even if the shows were chopped for their airing across the pond, we are used to seeing the complete versions...so giving us eps that are chopped down and don't contain what we saw when we watched the series on TV, is hardly a way to sell DVDs- even if that was the way show originally aired in Brittain.)

I'll see what the reviews say when the set comes out- I hope that you are right, and I am wrong, as I'd love to have the set.

You're just not getting it. The shows as they are on the DVDs (including the Christmas one) are complete and are the original versions! Footage was NOT cut out of them when they came to America, but was added to them. And again, apart from that one scene in the department store ("Do It Yourself, Mr. Bean") and the turkey weight-guessing scene ("Merry Christmas"), I know of no other scenes that were added to the American versions. I watched these on their first American showings (which were on HBO) and I own the DVDs. The only other "missing" material I can find is in the American versions, where the "end of part one" and "part two" ad bumpers were edited out for the American versions (and the original B/W and Red credits sequences for the early episodes replaced with the full colour one).

The turkey scene "slipped through" on R4 Australian and also, I think, R2 German releases.

I don't see how you fail to understand that material was added to the initial American broadcasts, material that as added without the knowledge of the creative team.

From an AmazonUK review of the set (by a British fan who will have seen the originals):

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They are NOT edited..let me explain. The only fans who will notice bits missing are American ones because the MR BEANS when shown in the USA were done on a tv station without adverts, opposed to in the UK where they were shown with ad breaks. Because of this the USA tv station requested extra material to be put in to pad them out to the required length. The production company obliged, put in little bits n bobs to stretch them and so when this release came out, comprising of the official versions..shown everywhere else in the world they thought they were edited. Essentially although slightly different to the USA broadcast versions, these ARE the way Rowan Atkinson intended them to be viewed, the oddments which were added to the USA episodes as a necessity were considered surplus to requiremenrs, inferior in many cases and left on the cutting room floor. OK, so perhaps these scenes could have been included as extras..outtakes for example..or even the extended episodes used for this release BUT I dont think its any major crime, Rowan Atkinson decided these were what he wanted broadcast in the UK/Europe etc and thats good enough for me. Basically only USA fans will notice any change, and even then just slight changes...all in all this is a great set, cheap and VERY funny.


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Posted October 06 2008 - 05:41 AM

I "get" what you're saying, Andy- but what I'm saying, is that if we Americans are used to seeing the longer eps with added material....that is the format that should be released on the DVDs.

What you are saying (correct me if I am wrong) is that the DVDs contain the original British edits, which were edited down for commercial TV (As opposed to the longer un-edited versions which we saw here on HBO and PBS) Correct?

#8 of 22 OFFLINE   Jay Pennington

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Posted October 06 2008 - 06:08 AM

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I "get" what you're saying, Andy- but what I'm saying, is that if we Americans are used to seeing the longer eps with added material....that is the format that should be released on the DVDs.

What you are saying (correct me if I am wrong) is that the DVDs contain the original British edits, which were edited down for commercial TV (As opposed to the longer un-edited versions which we saw here on HBO and PBS) Correct?

Not "edited down" in the sense that there were completely finished, longer versions of the shows that had to be shortened. Rather, the extra USA footage is from the "cutting room floor", in that it was rejected during the original creation and never part of the show to begin with.
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#9 of 22 OFFLINE   AndyMcKinney

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Posted October 06 2008 - 06:37 AM

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Not "edited down" in the sense that there were completely finished, longer versions of the shows that had to be shortened. Rather, the extra USA footage is from the "cutting room floor", in that it was rejected during the original creation and never part of the show to begin with.

Exactly. We not only have Mr. Atkinson's (and his agent's) word for it, but at the time this set came out, I was in correspondence with some British TV junkies and asked them about both the "turkey" and "recliner" scene and one fellow who answered my question saw both episodes on the original first-ever ITV showings and said he never, ever saw the recliner scene, and that he only ever saw the turkey scene when the VHS came out, as he remembered it not being in the telecast.

I still think it would've "bean" nice for them to have included these trims/extra scenes (and any others) as a bonus features supplement.

The episodes on the A&E DVDs, whether we like it or not, are the way that Rowan Atkinson and the producers originally intended, and that's how they should be seen. To all those who still want to see them "as aired on HBO", then all I can say is at least those did make it out onto VHS and should be able to be had quite cheaply. Again, I think it was only the two episodes with bonus footage in them anyway.

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Posted October 06 2008 - 06:48 AM

...but for those of us who are used to the show with the extra material, it feels like we're paying for cut episodes.

And it indeed must be all episodes which are effected.

It's been a while, but last time I read the reviews on Amazon of the already-released DVDs, most people were quite dissatisfied because of the material which they had come to know and expect as being part of the show being missing.

There's nothing worse than watching a show and saying "What happened to the scene with the......?". Even if it wasn't part of the British TV version....the fact that it was part of the show for us Americans...and now we buy DVDs and material is missing from each and every episode, makes us feel as if we are paying for full DVD quality releases and getting the "edited-for-syndication" version, even though that isn't the case.

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Posted October 06 2008 - 09:08 AM

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...but for those of us who are used to the show with the extra material, it feels like we're paying for cut episodes.

And it indeed must be all episodes which are effected.

Says who???? Please provide specific examples. I know these episodes fairly well, and apart from the two scenes I mention above, I cannot think if anything else that was added to the US versions. Please, enlighten me with specific examples.

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There's nothing worse than watching a show and saying "What happened to the scene with the......?". Even if it wasn't part of the British TV version....the fact that it was part of the show for us Americans...and now we buy DVDs and material is missing from each and every episode, makes us feel as if we are paying for full DVD quality releases and getting the "edited-for-syndication" version, even though that isn't the case.

I know where you're coming from (I felt that way when these were first released back in '03), but now that I know the whole truth (that the extra footage consisted of out-takes or bits left on the cutting room floor), I'm satisfied that I haven't been cheated. Although having the footage included in a "deleted scenes" package would've been the best compromise, we're not really "missing" anything.

Indeed, I was even more disappointed that although they went to the trouble to include several of the Comic Relief sketches, they left out one of them ("The Police Station"). Wonder why?

Look at it this way: would you rather The Benny Hill Show have been released in it's "American" version (cut-down to 1/2 hour from the original hour-long shows, with sketches moved from place to place, etc.)? No, the original hour-long presentation will do just fine, thank you very much!

And for the last time, unless you can provide some concrete evidence of other differences in footage, there were only two episodes that had bonus footage in the US TV/VHS versions ("Do it Yourself" and "Merry Christmas").

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Posted October 06 2008 - 02:48 PM

Well up until I purchased the "Whole Bean" set, every single time I'd watched the Christmas episode, the turkey scene was included. Although it was intended as cut footage, it's the way I'd known and loved the episode so having it excluded threw me for a loop. I used to own the PolyGram VHS set and it was included there as well.

My original post was based on a thread I had read years ago when the previous set was released, so I guess I was only partially correct. lol. Although I have a feeling that the previous set will be ported over to this one, I also agree that the 2 scenes should appear in some capacity to appease those (such as myself) who remember them as part of the episodes themselves.
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Posted October 07 2008 - 12:46 AM

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Although I have a feeling that the previous set will be ported over to this one, I also agree that the 2 scenes should appear in some capacity to appease those (such as myself) who remember them as part of the episodes themselves.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. A&E are notorious for simply repackaging stuff rather than making content changes. The best one could hope for is a bonus disc thrown in, but I don't remember if one was supposed to be included or not.

It would be really nice if there were some sort of comprehensive release (maybe on the next anniversary) that included not only all the original UK shows, but also have an exhaustive extras package with all the Comic Relief stuff (including "Police Station"), a collection of Rowan's various other "stage" performances of the character and a deleted scenes package with not only the two sequences added to the HBO episodes, but any others that might exist, and if Atkinson (and the producers) were unhappy with those sequences, perhaps there could be a brief intro to each snippet (or a commentary) explaining what didn't "work" for them (I'm reminded of the deleted scenes package for "Rat Race" which explained why each deleted sequence was cut).

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Posted October 07 2008 - 02:21 AM

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And for the last time, unless you can provide some concrete evidence of other differences in footage, there were only two episodes that had bonus footage in the US TV/VHS versions ("Do it Yourself" and "Merry Christmas").

Good! If this is the case (that only 2 eps are mssing the extry footage) I'll buy the set and enjoy it!

I'm just kind of confused: If they added footage to the show for broadcast on American commercial-free television, why did they only do so to two eps?

Well, you seem to know what you're talking about- so I'll tke your word for it.

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Posted October 07 2008 - 05:51 AM

Andy, we've heard all this before, but who cares. If they've shown these scenes several times on television, and they are funny and memorable, then they should be on anything pretending to be a "complete" set in R1. Call it the extended version, extras, call it anything you want. It is actual Mr. Bean comedy produced by the same people. As for Rowan and co. being in the dark about the added scenes, very, very, very hard to believe (and perhaps covenient to cover an unintentional screwup), but we'll probably never really know from the source will we?

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Posted October 07 2008 - 06:35 AM

i love Mr. Bean...id love to have that!

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Posted October 08 2008 - 03:19 AM

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Another issue: Animated episodes should be uncropped. I remember reading that they were released cropped to 4:3 (from 16:9).

Don't hold your breath, from research I did when they originally released the animated, A&E SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED 4:3 CROPPED VERSIONS. This is where the joy of a region free player comes in to get them right.

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Posted October 08 2008 - 03:29 AM

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Andy, we've heard all this before, but who cares.

I could say the same about your last post.

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As for Rowan and co. being in the dark about the added scenes, very, very, very hard to believe (and perhaps covenient to cover an unintentional screwup), but we'll probably never really know from the source will we?

Well, we've heard from his agent/publicist, and perhaps more importantly, I've heard from more than one British TV collector who watched these episodes on their first airings, and they back up everything that Mr. Atkinson's agent said.

I'm surprised so many people here are still upset about these two scenes. I got over it a long time ago, after I learned they weren't supposed to be part of the episodes to begin with. The framing issue on the cartoons is far more troubling.

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Posted October 08 2008 - 05:04 AM

Whatever, but when people remember something from over 10 years ago, you think it might mean something to people who are in the business of .....................SELLING STUFF????????????

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Posted October 12 2008 - 04:55 AM

Cut is cut. A&E shills can make up all the excuses they want but the fact remains they are cut just like A&E's Monty Python DVDs. I don't care if Mr Bean aired in Kazakhstan in 15 minute versions approved by Roman. These DVDs are for the U.S. market and as such should contain the versions aired in the U.S.


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