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Sleeping Beauty: 2003 Special Edition vs. 2008 Platinum Edition


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#81 of 87 TravisR

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Posted October 16 2008 - 04:23 AM

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All I ask is that people use their eyes. If the releases weren't so altered then there would be nothing to criticize, which would be wonderful. Certainly you don't expect people to be silent because the marketing machine tells us all is well and now everything is better than ever.
People can say whatever they want but when I hear complaints about nearly every animated release, either almost every DVD has some fatal flaw or sometimes animation fans are inventing problems just so they can have something to talk about. And I think that constant criticism has made people discount alot of what comes from the hardcore fans.

#82 of 87 Chuck Pennington

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Posted October 16 2008 - 05:46 AM

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People can say whatever they want but when I hear complaints about nearly every animated release, either almost every DVD has some fatal flaw or sometimes animation fans are inventing problems just so they can have something to talk about. And I think that constant criticism has made people discount alot of what comes from the hardcore fans.

I want excellent releases of the Disney films. A lot of people do. I'm not inventing problems to have something to complain about. The images prove that. I, as well as a few other people, are bringing these problems to the surface because that is the only way that maybe the next releases won't be as mangled.

Check out what has happened to the animation lines in this capture from the BD.



#83 of 87 Stephen_J_H

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Posted October 16 2008 - 08:15 AM

Chuck, would you mind enlightening us on how your captures were accomplished? We know that Gary Tooze over @ DVD Beaver is using the wrong colorspace for his captures, and I'm not saying that's the case with yours, but for curiosity's sake I'd like to know what you're using and the processing path. Thanks.
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#84 of 87 Chuck Pennington

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Posted October 16 2008 - 09:40 AM

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Chuck, would you mind enlightening us on how your captures were accomplished? We know that Gary Tooze over @ DVD Beaver is using the wrong colorspace for his captures, and I'm not saying that's the case with yours, but for curiosity's sake I'd like to know what you're using and the processing path. Thanks.

For the DVD captures I'm using VLC with no modifications. The BD captures I have to thank Michael @ Land of Whimsy as I don't have a BD-ROM drive from which to make captures.

Do you have the BD release? If you do, you can go to this scene, pause any frame, and see the same distorted image. It is far more apparent on the HD release than the DVD because of the much higher resolution.

#85 of 87 Stephen_J_H

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Posted October 16 2008 - 10:19 AM

I have the BD release, but no BD player as of yet. I figured it was a better investment than buying the new DVD release, as it comes with disc 1 of the DVD release attached.
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#86 of 87 Chuck Pennington

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Posted October 16 2008 - 10:51 AM

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I have the BD release, but no BD player as of yet. I figured it was a better investment than buying the new DVD release, as it comes with disc 1 of the DVD release attached.

I look forward to when you do have a BD player and HDTV so you can comment. I know you're going to find the pics accurate and perhaps you'll even be a little surprised. It looks far worse in motion, and I only have a 42" HDTV - I'll bet the weird aftereffects of the major processing that was done on the transfer are even more glaring on larger displays.

#87 of 87 Kevin Martinez

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Posted October 16 2008 - 03:09 PM

I think the real problem about the complaints of animation fans is that too many of them suffer from what I like to call "Howard Dean Syndrome". They might have a legitimate gripe or a valid point, and may even be right, but the way they present themselves and drive their points home puts off people who are not animation fanatics (like that guy that Googled for random Peter Pan cel reproductions and screamed at the top of his lungs that the newest DVD didn't match them. Right or wrong, insinuating that people who don't agree with you are blind and/or ignorant does not help your cause.)

It's all very similar to the case of the rabid Star Wars people who aren't taken seriously by anyone anymore, least of all Lucas and those in his employ.


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