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#1 of 21 OFFLINE   Zack Gibbs

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Posted September 05 2008 - 02:37 PM

It was reported in June that Warner Bros. had hired Guy Ritchie to write and direct a new Sherlock Holmes movie. It's said to be more action oriented than traditional Holmes.

Since then we've found out that Robert Downy Jr. will be playing Holmes. Awesome. Posted Image

Last week it was rumored--and denied--that Russell Crowe was to play Dr. Watson. Today it's been reported that Crowe is likely to play none other than Holmes arch nemesis himself; Professor Moriarty! Again, awesome.

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It would appear that the game is afoot! I'm not really a Ritchie fan, but I think he's competent enough and I'm already looking forward to this. I've been waiting for a good modern Holmes adventure for a while, years ago I thought that Dan Aykroyd would have made a good Watson, but it's a bit late for that now I think.

Anyone else looking forward to this as much as me?
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Posted September 05 2008 - 03:23 PM

Moriarty? Geeeez... The guy appeared in one story. And died in it.

I wonder if all this interest in Holmes projects will revive the Fry & Laurie project (with them cast against physical type). That's the one I really want to see.
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Posted September 06 2008 - 03:38 AM

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It was reported in June that Warner Bros. had hired Guy Ritchie to write and direct a new Sherlock Holmes movie. It's said to be more action oriented than traditional Holmes.

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Posted September 12 2008 - 01:26 PM

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I've been waiting for a good modern Holmes adventure for a while
And that's exactly what I wouldn't want. Holmes is a period piece and very English. I want an old fashioned Holmes.
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Posted September 12 2008 - 01:38 PM

Not a "Modern Holmes," just a modern "Holmes." It's still a period piece as far as I know. I think they would have been more clear if it wasn't.
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Posted September 13 2008 - 02:49 AM

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Not a "Modern Holmes," just a modern "Holmes." It's still a period piece as far as I know. I think they would have been more clear if it wasn't.
So still a period piece but the character is updated to include modern day mores? How would you have him changed? Would he be opposed to Britain's class system of the day, not be a drug addict, have a more pleasant personality in dealing with others? I'm not sure what modern means to you, but to update the character would mean he's no longer Holmes.

The Jeremy Brett version of Holmes was excellent not only for his wonderful portrayal, but for the level of faithfulness to the author's vision of Holmes. I've never been a big fan of Basil Rathbone's Holmes because he was too nice a guy. That was a case of modernizing the character and it was commercially successful, but was disappointing to me.

There is such a rich mother lode of character detail to be found the the original stories it would be a shame to ignore the core of it. Downey would be terrific as an authentic Holmes.
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Posted September 19 2008 - 03:31 AM

Couple of bits; Moriarty isn't the villain, but has a small appearance. It still isn't confirmed if Crowe is playing him.

Jude Law is tipped to play Watson.

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Posted October 10 2008 - 02:11 PM

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Posted October 10 2008 - 07:01 PM

And most likely in disguise to find out bits of secret information. Posted Image

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Posted May 18 2009 - 01:48 PM

Trailers out, and it looks fantastic...

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Posted May 19 2009 - 02:00 AM

I'm not sure what to think of that. Downey sure doesn't make a traditional Holmes, but if he can pull off something akin to Eliot Gould's Marlowe, then maybe it will be worth while. There is some interesting comedy in that trailer, but the action scenes seem WAY over the top and purely there to draw a young crowd.

Hopefully, the trailer does not represent the best of the film, as this is a series that could easily be re-visted, but if they're going to twist and maim the original stories then I'll take a huge pass.

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Posted May 19 2009 - 02:21 AM

I'm not sold on Holmes as a "skilled fighter", and I am a huge fan of the Jeremy Brett Holmes, but I could get behind a less stodgy portrayal of Victorian/Edwardian England than used to be the norm as the reality was never as "prim and proper" as it has been presented for much of the 20th century.
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Posted May 19 2009 - 02:35 AM

Holmes was a skilled fighter, though - his skill at bareknuckle boxing, mastery of the fighting art of baritsu, and feats of strength are right in Doyle's stories. Don't forget that he was a master of disguise, as well. Although he vastly preferred to solve crimes from his armchair, the man was one of literature's first superheroes.
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Posted May 19 2009 - 03:17 AM

I read somewhere, and agree, that the trailer looks like Sherlock done Pirates of the Caribbean style.

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Posted May 19 2009 - 04:04 AM

I really liked RocknRolla, but this style just seems too much for Sherlock Holmes. My optimism from what I was reading has been seriously dampened after seeing this trailer.

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Posted May 19 2009 - 05:38 AM

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Holmes was a skilled fighter, though - his skill at bareknuckle boxing, mastery of the fighting art of baritsu, and feats of strength are right in Doyle's stories. Don't forget that he was a master of disguise, as well. Although he vastly preferred to solve crimes from his armchair, the man was one of literature's first superheroes.

I came here to say exactly this, Jason. I think if one reads (or re-reads) Doyle's stories, they would pleasantly surprised at how "cool" Holmes is. If you ask me, Hugh Laurie's take on the character in "House" is quite accurate--it's always how I pictured the character in my mind. It seems Downey Jr. is going the same route (though less "bastard-like").

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Posted May 19 2009 - 06:35 AM

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I'm not sold on Holmes as a "skilled fighter", and I am a huge fan of the Jeremy Brett Holmes, but I could get behind a less stodgy portrayal of Victorian/Edwardian England than used to be the norm as the reality was never as "prim and proper" as it has been presented for much of the 20th century.
My wife and I are also big fans of Jeremy Brett's Holmes. This new Holmes is clearly not your father's (or grandfather's) Holmes. This Holmes seems to have some Indianna Jones genes mixed in. Had this movie been about an english detective of that era, there's be no controversy. As for his fighting skills, even Brett displayed his superior boxing skills in one episode and got the crap beat out of him in another.

Still I admit this a different Holmes and he's portrayed by an actor in the prime of his career. Not bad for an ex-druggie (Holmes had drug issues too). I think if you prepare yourself to accept a different Holmes this could be very enjoyable.
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Posted May 19 2009 - 08:37 AM

I'm not dismissing it out of hand (and as for the fighting, the way it is portrayed on screen in the trailer, for the most part, seems anachronistic--could be more of visual editing thing than the moves themselves). In fact, apart from the snippets of the fighting (which I have to believe will NOT dominate screen time), I find the trailer intriguing.
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Posted May 19 2009 - 09:38 AM

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I came here to say exactly this, Jason. I think if one reads (or re-reads) Doyle's stories, they would pleasantly surprised at how "cool" Holmes is. If you ask me, Hugh Laurie's take on the character in "House" is quite accurate--it's always how I pictured the character in my mind. It seems Downey Jr. is going the same route (though less "bastard-like").
By cool, I believe you mean uncaring of the feelings of others. House in my mind, is a real SOB, a genius, but still an SOB. House will use people in very callous ways. I think Holmes is way down on the richter scale of SOB's, compared to House.

BTW, I'm a fan of House and never miss it and my comments on Holmes are based on Jeremy Brett's Holmes, which is probably the closest to Holmes as written as any other production of Doyle's character.
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Posted May 19 2009 - 04:44 PM

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My optimism from what I was reading has been seriously dampened after seeing this trailer.
Same here. It looks ridiculous to me. Also- I actually think Law would have been a more fitting Holmes, and Downey a better Watson (if I were forced to cast those two in the main roles).

If I'm not mistaken, Conan Doyle described Holmes pretty thoroughly, right down to his eye-color (grey?) Jeremy Brett is my favorite, Basil Rathbone was good, Rupert Everett was OK, and I really liked Frank Langella in the role. But, Robert Downey, no matter how good an actor, can't get away from the fact that he just isn't anywhere near being the right physical type for this character.
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