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CSI: Crime Scene Investigation Season 9 (mild early season spoilers)


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#1 of 151 Nicholas Martin

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Posted August 28 2008 - 06:24 AM

I'd like to begin the thread, now that the first promo for the upcoming season has been airing on CBS.

As we all know by now, a lot of changes are being made, notably the eventual departure of Gil Grissom as William Petersen prepares to leave, and Laurence Fishburne steps in to replace him.

There will be some familiar faces returning throughout the season, including:



Jorja Fox as Sarah Sidle, appearing in the season premiere

Melinda Clarke as Lady Heather

Jessica Collins as Natalie Davis, the "Miniature Killer"


In addition, Lauren Lee Smith joins the cast as a new CSI, while long-supporting actors David Berman and Liz Vassey are officially regulars, though it remains to be seen if they make the opening title sequence. Behind the camera, William Friedkin will apparently direct his second episode of the series (his first being 'Cockroaches' last season), which will be the 200th episode.

Here's what is probably the first promotional photo of the season, and it's not a pleasant one:



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The season premiere airs October 9, on CBS.

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Posted August 28 2008 - 09:12 AM

Based on that promo photo, this is going to be a gut wrenching season opener and perhaps what sets the stage for Gil's departure. I hate to see old characters go but the addition of Fishburn is greatly anticipated. I truely hope one of Gil's last cases is solving the shooting and putting the undersheriff away.
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#3 of 151 Nicholas Martin

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Posted August 28 2008 - 10:48 AM

Here's the second photo, which is the same as the first only from a slightly different position:

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Posted August 28 2008 - 11:08 AM

Man, those photos actually got to me. Repeat to self: "it is just a tv show. it is just a tv show."

The season opener is going to be tough to watch.

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Posted August 28 2008 - 11:13 AM

I'd advise you not to see the promo whenever it airs (or even youtube), as the level of raw emotion in Grissom's voice is something we have never heard in the entire show's run. We've seen him angry, but we've never seen him devastated. That shell he created for himself over the years will be shattered.

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Posted September 07 2008 - 03:21 AM

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Posted September 07 2008 - 05:03 PM

[lecherous]She can investigate me any time she wants.[/lecherous]

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Posted September 09 2008 - 05:59 AM

Looks like Sarah has a new Hairdo as well.

#9 of 151 Nicholas Martin

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Posted October 09 2008 - 08:55 AM

Tonight is the big night....this is going to be phenomenal.

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Posted October 09 2008 - 09:53 AM

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Tonight is the big night....this is going to be phenomenal.

We are counting the minutes, the previews look awesome!
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Posted October 10 2008 - 01:12 AM

I thought it was a fitting way to send off Warrick, I had built up the opening scene with Grissom too much in my head so it was sort of anti-climatic but gripping all the same.
Jorga Fox's return was handled well, "I caught the first flight out", overall very well done, very moving.
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#12 of 151 Nelson Au

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Posted October 11 2008 - 05:06 AM

That was a well done premiere. Though I was kinda surprised that they solved it so fast. But I can see that in the past they don't let these things hang. I would have thought Under Sheriff McKeen would have gotten away with it a little longer, until Grissom leaves anyway. It was a nice way to resolution.

I guess seeing Jorja Fox's name as a Special Guest Star meant that it was a one time deal or is she coming back for a few more shows. Perhaps riding off with Grissom?

I thought there was an unsaid connection between Warrick and Catherine. I know in season's past, they eluded to some tension and attraction that went no where, and her surprise to learn Warrick had gotten married. So when Catherine said she had the keys to his place, and that she had them because she went to get him clothes might have more meaning.

I knew Nick wouldn't kill him. I liked how very understated his arc went being his best friend and wanting to find McKeen.

Eckley was nice to Grissom in this episode, for good reason.

A few things seem confusing to me, Liz Vassey is credited as a special guest star like Jorja, I guess she's not part of the lab rats anymore? No one for Hodges to get geeky with?

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Posted October 11 2008 - 06:11 AM

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I thought there was an unsaid connection between Warrick and Catherine.

You thought right.

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I know in season's past, they eluded to some tension and attraction that went no where, and her surprise to learn Warrick had gotten married.

There is a number of examples. Unfortunately, I can remember only two off the top of my head.

In episode #26, "Bully for You", the investigation of the murder of a student in a high-school boys' bathroom occasions the reminiscence of some of the characters' own high-school experiences. Brown lets on that he was a nerd who wore glasses and whose classmates made fun of his eyes, at which Catherine expresses surprise, since "your eyes are your best feature". He was also shy with the girls and states how she must've been the object of competition from all her male classmates. The conversation ends something like:

Warrick: "You were the girl I ran away from."
Catherine: "Yeah, until you caught me."

(quote found at Elyse's CSI: Crime Scene Investigation Site)

In "Down the Drain" (episode #94), the two of them crawl out of the Las Vegas storm-drain system and Brown catches her when she slips. The two exchange what used to be called "bedroom eyes" until one of the sewer workers breaks up the "reverie".

There are several other prominent examples, but [sigh] the rest I have in a file on a hard drive that's in storage right now.

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So when Catherine said she had the keys to his place, and that she had them because she went to get him clothes might have more meaning.

Yeah, I almost thought she was about to "spill the beans" about some much more serious involvement between the two.


P.S.: I must say Marg Helgenberger still looks great! There're phonies and then there's real beauty (that lasts)!!!

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#14 of 151 Joseph DeMartino

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Posted October 11 2008 - 06:12 AM

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That was a well done premiere. Though I was kinda surprised that they solved it so fast... I would have thought Under Sheriff McKeen would have gotten away with it a little longer, until Grissom leaves anyway.

Between seasons I was thinking along the same lines - that the investigation would take awhile and that solving it would be the last thing Grissom did before he left. Even as the episode was airing, and it became clear that they were moving much faster than that, I thought they might stretch the story to two or three episodes before they proved their case. (I especially thought that Eckley's concern about the judge meant that they were going to have work a bit more outside the system and put their jobs in jeopardy a bit more before they solved it.)

Of course, if the undersheriff is still alive, the story isn't completely over.

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I guess seeing Jorja Fox's name as a Special Guest Star meant that it was a one time deal or is she coming back for a few more shows. Perhaps riding off with Grissom?

I seem to recall reading that she was coming back for a multi-episode arc, another thing the led me to think the Warrick investigation might last longer. Certainly she is in the next episode, because she is in the promo.

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I thought there was an unsaid connection between Warrick and Catherine. I know in season's past, they eluded to some tension and attraction that went no where, and her surprise to learn Warrick had gotten married. So when Catherine said she had the keys to his place, and that she had them because she went to get him clothes might have more meaning.

I wondered about that, too. There was always sexual tension between the two characters, which was played just as carefully as that between Grissom and Sara. (There was a shot in one episode where Warrick catches Catherine when she stumbles, and they end-up in a semi-embrace. The producers spent a lot of time calibrating exactly how long to hold that shot and how the actors should respond.) It just got less play because both Catherine and Warrick were too smart to get involved in an office romance, and the audience knew it, so they kept it to a light flirtation, recognizing the obvious, but never pushing it too far.

Grissom, on the other hand, completely missed the obvious and Sara's flirting was always subconcious. When she tried to force the issue from time to time, she didn't flirt, she blurted things out, which always surprised Grissom. A very different dynamic there, until a series of event led Grissom to re-evaluate his life, the risks and the rewards of the relationship, and he decided to take the chance. It helped that he and Sara were both so socially awkward that they rarely socialized with the others except right after work and had few other friends.)

Still, I'd quibble about the "unsaid" part. When Catherine was acting all strange around Warrick after he got married, she said something like, "One of the things that makes a fantasy so powerful is the idea that someday it might come true. And we're disappointed when that possiblity goes away." It does make you wonder if after Warrick's divorce they didn't give it a try - although their risks of getting caught were a lot higher since neither of them was as closed-off as Girssom and Sara, and they both had more of a non-work life that could lead to people finding out.

Oh - tiny nitpick: "Ellude" means to escape or evade ("he elluded his pursurers".) "Allude" means to refer to, often obliquely. Easy to mix them up - or simply to type an "e" when you mean to type an "a".

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A few things seem confusing to me, Liz Vassey is credited as a special guest star like Jorja, I guess she's not part of the lab rats anymore? No one for Hodges to get geeky with?

As Nicholas pointed out, far from leaving, Liz Vassey is moving up to series regular this year.

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In addition, Lauren Lee Smith joins the cast as a new CSI, while long-supporting actors David Berman and Liz Vassey are officially regulars, though it remains to be seen if they make the opening title sequence.

The complexities of Hollywood contracts and credits probably explain the difference here. In fact, Liz Vassey, David Berman and Jorja Fox were all listed as "special guest stars". Fox for the obvious reasons, Berman and Vassey probably because they are new regulars.

Given the last-minute nature of the real-life events that led to Dourdan's departure, it is possible that all or most of this episode was shot as part of last year's production run - while he was still under contract - which would explain why he didn't get a "special guest star" credit. (Well, that and the fact that they wanted to maintain the suspense about Warrick's fate for the 12 people who didn't already know that Dourdan had left the show. Posted Image) The "special guest star" credit probably covers Vassey and Berman being paid their higher "regular" salary for this episode for purposes of residuals, instead of a standard guest star rate.

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#15 of 151 Nelson Au

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Posted October 11 2008 - 07:09 AM

I forgot to mention Dourdan. I wondered too if he came back to film that one death scene or if it was filmed last year. It was especially unfortunate for Warrick that he has to lay there dying and look up to see his killer and Grissom and he couldn't tell him.

That was a frustrating scene! Here the killer doesn't want to help Grissom, but does to keep up appearances and Warrick can't do anything about it.

Thanks for correcting my spelling of allude, Joseph. That's what I meant. Posted Image
Thanks for the clarification of the guest stars and who is coming back. I was avoiding the earlier potential spoiler posts. I re-watched the title credits just now and I didn't know that Gary Dourdan is still in the credits and his image is still there as they show the team walking up to the yellow tape.

Rex, those were the particular scenes I was alluding to.Posted Image

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Posted October 11 2008 - 10:20 AM

It's common for at least part of the following season's opener to be filmed at the same time as the finale, especially if no time has passed and a character is leaving. That's probably why you never see Dourdan after the post-credits scene when the sheet is laid over Warrick in the alley, with the exception of a pre-recorded video. It wasn't like when Speedle died on CSI:Miami and you could see him on the autopsy table because he was in a large chunk of his last episode.

It's safe to assume the credits will be changed either with this week's upcoming episode, or the following week when Lauren Lee Smith makes her first appearance, as she is not a recurring guest but a brand new regular.

On "ANGEL", one of the actors on the show (Andy Hallett) became a 'special guest star' for a very long time before being added to that show's opening credits. On "CSI: NY", A.J. Buckley and Robert Joy were added this year, but were officially regulars last year.

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Posted October 11 2008 - 10:30 AM

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P.S.: I must say Marg Helgenberger still looks great! There're phonies and then there's real beauty (that lasts)!!!


Unfortunately she, like other actresses (and even actors like David Caruso) are subjected to a blurring effect, visible whenever you see close-ups of their faces likely there to hide wrinkles. With Helgenberger in particular, the effect is often sloppy because she'll be in one of those CSI evidence testing scenes, then her head will turn and the area her face was prior still has that blur overlay, meaning whoever made that didn't track it with her face.

I can't be the only one who notices these things on the HD broadcasts, can I? It's so obvious!

P.S. No offense but that tiny text font is a bitch to read. Posted Image

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Posted October 11 2008 - 10:40 AM

Yeah, Dourdan had his regular individual credit in the main titles (which I think were the credits from last season, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) Re the "death" scene. As shot that scene could have gone either way. The could as easily have been Warrick slipping into unconciousness. If Dourdan had stayed with the show they could have had an ambulance roll up and take him to the hospital.

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It was especially unfortunate for Warrick that he has to lay there dying and look up to see his killer and Grissom and he couldn't tell him.

Actually it was lucky for both of them the he didn't, since the undersheriff would have immediately shot both of them, and done the job right this time.

I strongly suspect that the Warrick's son arc was something that would have been introduced last year if not for the strike, and that Dourdan's psych eval was shot for it. What was interesting was that they didn't just drop it. After all, nobody, including the characters, knew anything about this idea.

The producers probably could have found another way of introducing the particular footage talking about Grissom as Warrick's father figure without getting into the custody issue. I suspect that this will figure into Grissom's departure, as will Sara's return.

Warrick's ex is a doctor. For him to even have a chance of getting custody, she's got to have some serious issues in her life. I'm talking abusive boyfriends or drugs, because otherwise he wouldn't even get into court. If she's that bad, then even an outsider like Grissom might have a shot, especially if he can show that he's stable, out of the violent world of crime and happily married. Posted Image Given the history of both characters with Warrick, it would be an interesting irony of Grissom and Sara ended up raising his son.

I'm looking forward to this season, and to the "new" CSI. This could be the kind of change that allows the series to keep going without getting stale, where the format, rather than the individual characters, caries the series, something like Law & Order which has gone through several total cast turn-overs (although always with signficant periods old and new characters overlapping) since it started.

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Posted October 11 2008 - 12:08 PM

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Yeah, Dourdan had his regular individual credit in the main titles (which I think were the credits from last season, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Yes, they were the finalized season 8 credits, not new ones. Posted Image

Fishburne's character will be named Dr. Raymond Langston, and will not be a case of Grissom gone one day, Langston there the next. They will be there together, making for a nice transition.

Great interview about the transition, with comments from both Petersen and Fishburne (a bit spoilerish):

http://www.usatoday.....-handoff_N.htm

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Posted October 11 2008 - 12:24 PM


Nicholas Martin wrote (post #17):

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I must say Marg Helgenberger still looks great! There're phonies and then there's real beauty (that lasts)!!!
Unfortunately she . . . [is] . . . subjected to a blurring effect, visible whenever you see close-ups of . . . [her] face. . . likely there to hide wrinkles.

Does it take weight off of her hips and thighs as well? 'Cause she seems to have great ones.

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I can't be the only one who notices these things on the HD broadcasts, can I? It's so obvious!

Me no have HD tv. Me have only stone-age analog 27" tv. Actually, me watched this episode on computer-screen thingy. Oy!

"Delenda est . . . . "

 



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