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HTF Blu-Ray Review: Transformers (Highly Recommended)

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#61 of 80 OFFLINE   Ron-P

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Posted September 03 2008 - 02:41 AM

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Ron, what firmware are you running? I'm on 2.42.

Some time later this week I'll pop the disc in again and see if it takes as long to load.
2.3 I believe. The update that gave it the ability to decode DTS-MA, that's the last update I did.
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#62 of 80 OFFLINE   Carlo Medina

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Posted September 03 2008 - 05:02 AM

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This raises a question that i've been meaning to ask PS3 owners, is it possible to upgrade the firmware the way you can upgrade the FW on a stand-alone BD player? It's easy with stand-alone players, just burn the file to an image disc, pop it in and let it do it's thing but i'm curious about PS3's.

Thanks.

I'm dying for this disc but I have to wait until Friday! Posted Image Good to know that I won't be disappointed, especially since I never owned the HD-DVD version just the SD DVD.
As others have said, the easiest way to upgrade firmware is just to let the PS3 do it via ethernet connection and through the XMB.

If you have a slow connection (the files can be 130MB), you can download it on a PC (i.e. if you have a fast connection at work, not condoning using work for play purposes Posted Image) and burn the file onto a CD or USB flash drive and do the upgrade that way. You just have to follow the instructions and name the folder in which you put the update file correctly.

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2.3 I believe. The update that gave it the ability to decode DTS-MA, that's the last update I did.
Thanks Ron. I'll try the disc again some time this week and report if it's still slow or has sped up.

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#63 of 80 OFFLINE   Inspector Hammer!

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Posted September 03 2008 - 05:07 AM

Thanks for the info, guys, I don't have a PS3 but I wanted to know for future referance. Posted Image
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Posted September 03 2008 - 05:09 AM

Heck the PS3 doesnt even need a wire to do its firmware upgrades, assuming you don't have the cheapy 20g with no wireless. It couldnt be easier.

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Posted September 03 2008 - 07:33 AM

Picked up my BD copy of Transformers yesterday and compared it to my HD-DVD. The jaggies I referenced in an earlier post appear to be all but gone on the BD disc. In addition, the TrueHD soundtrack is a noticeable improvement over the DD+ track.

Worth every penny.

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Posted September 03 2008 - 10:24 AM

A lot of people over at AVS have compared the HD-DVD and the Blu-Ray finding no differences in PQ whatsoever. The audio, however, is a different story as some people swear it's a marked improvement especially in the LFE department.
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#67 of 80 OFFLINE   Ed St. Clair

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Posted September 03 2008 - 12:13 PM

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Ed, I watched the Blu-ray Transformers last night and there IS an Iron Man trailer on disc 1. IIRC it is the theatrical trailer. The easiest way to get to it is to go to the scenes menu and select the chapter with the end credits. Fast forward through to the end of the credits and press play just prior to very end. When the film ends, a pop-up menu will appear containing the Iron Man trailer and two additional Transformers trailers.
That's cool!
I have the HD DVD so I'm good.
Wonder if there are any other BD titles w/"Iron Man" trailers?
I want the one were he fires at the tank, turns & starts walking away B4: Boom!
Can't wait for the movie, either! :-)
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#68 of 80 OFFLINE   Ed St. Clair

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Posted September 03 2008 - 12:24 PM

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A lot of people over at AVS have compared the HD-DVD and the Blu-Ray finding no differences in PQ whatsoever. The audio, however, is a different story as some people swear it's a marked improvement especially in the LFE department.
Not the thread I'm reading on the BD Software Forum (as far as video goes; more 'votes' for the previous version). Yeah, sound-wise the BD has it all over the HD DVD (although some reviews w/level equally adjusted say their the same. Some, not many); just like we all 'knew' Para missed the boat w/the 1st HDM release.
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Posted September 03 2008 - 02:13 PM

I just watched it tonight.

I never had the HD DVD so I can't make comparisons but I have seen it on DVD and more recently on Cinemax. I can't really say anything about the image quality as so heavily filtered per the cinematographer, however I didn't see anything wrong with the picture. It was sharp, however it seems like almost too much grain in the darker scenes.

As for the audio, I listened to the TRUEHD track and to be honest, i'm a little underwhelmed. Don't get me wrong, it's still very good and i'm sure it's an improvement over the DD+ found on the HD DVD. I guess what I felt was lacking was clarity. While it articulated some very nice highs and lows througout the film, I wouldn't say that the clarity of the mix was stellar. In fact i'll say i'm more impressed with U-571's lossless track.

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Posted September 03 2008 - 03:09 PM

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Heck the PS3 doesnt even need a wire to do its firmware upgrades, assuming you don't have the cheapy 20g with no wireless. It couldnt be easier.

Hey, lay off my "cheapy" machine! Posted Image

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Posted September 04 2008 - 04:04 AM

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Not the thread I'm reading on the BD Software Forum (as far as video goes; more 'votes' for the previous version). Yeah, sound-wise the BD has it all over the HD DVD (although some reviews w/level equally adjusted say their the same. Some, not many); just like we all 'knew' Para missed the boat w/the 1st HDM release.

And there's also a question of how much placebo is involved here. It seems that those "some" you mentioned who took the time to do the test level matched without being told which track was which didn't really hear a difference. I believe Film-mixer actually did such a test among sound engineers. If there are differences, they are probably very subtle since the BD and HD-DVD apparently have the same aggresssive mix and are sourced from a 24-bit master. I don't think I will be upgrading this disc as there doesn't appear to be much of a upgrade in either area, certainly not enough to justify ditching my HD-DVD and shelling out another $15-$20 IMHO. Honestly though, since I likely won't watch this film again, I would've been hard pressed to upgrade even if there had been a difference in picture quality. A disc like Top Gun was worth the double-dip on Blu, but this one isn't, imho.

I only wanted Transformers since I knew it would be a reference disc that would highlight the HT's audio-video capability.
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Posted September 04 2008 - 04:11 AM

A few things...

I find it's WAY faster to upgrade my PS3 by downloading the update to a USB jump drive. Over a wireless connection takes too long IMO.

While I think the film looks great, I do agree that there appears to be a good bit of grain in the darker scenes. However, given the contrast-y look of this film it kinda blends in with the rest of it.

As for the LFE stuff, I agree with the person here who said it's a bit underwhelming. It's there for sure, I just feel like it's a tad thin compared to say U-571's big, round, thick bottom-end. I remember it being an all out assault on the senses in the theater and I think something got lost in translation. Still awesome though.

Lastly, has anyone had a chance to look at the extras? I had a good number of times where the screen pixellized towards the bottom of the screen during different sections and I watched all of the extras the entire way through. I'm using a PS3 with the 2.42 firmware. Thankfully, I didn't experience any such thing on the film proper so that's good news.

PS - Megan Fox looks THAT much hotter in hi-def...DROOL... Posted Image Posted Image
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Posted September 04 2008 - 10:34 AM

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And there's also a question of how much placebo is involved here. It seems that those "some" you mentioned who took the time to do the test level matched without being told which track was which didn't really hear a difference. I believe Film-mixer actually did such a test among sound engineers. If there are differences, they are probably very subtle since the BD and HD-DVD apparently have the same aggresssive mix and are sourced from a 24-bit master.

I think the "placebo effect" is definitely a factor here. That's why I trust Film Mixer's assessment of this disc over anyone else.
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Posted September 05 2008 - 04:05 PM

Let me tell you guys that I played hell trying to track down a copy of this damned thing today because everywhere I went I heard the same 2 words, words no BD lover wants to hear..."sold out". Posted Image I raced all over town to 6 different locations, which for me isn't an easy task because I don't drive, before landing one at Sears of all places.

I paid a little more for it there but at that point I didn't care, it was there, I found it and I bought it without hesitation.

I tell you, though, the strength of my resolve and the object of my quest was well worth it! This is one amazing looking and sounding disc! Posted Image
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Posted September 07 2008 - 03:33 AM

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Let me tell you guys that I played hell trying to track down a copy of this damned thing today because everywhere I went I heard the same 2 words, words no BD lover wants to hear..."sold out". Posted Image I raced all over town to 6 different locations, which for me isn't an easy task because I don't drive, before landing one at Sears of all places.

I paid a little more for it there but at that point I didn't care, it was there, I found it and I bought it without hesitation.

I tell you, though, the strength of my resolve and the object of my quest was well worth it! This is one amazing looking and sounding disc! Posted Image

Suppose I shouldn't have hid my copy from the general public. Posted Image

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Posted September 08 2008 - 05:50 AM

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I only wanted Transformers since I knew it would be a reference disc that would highlight the HT's audio-video capability.
I only wanted "T" for the "Iron Man" trailer! :- l
Glad the BD's got it too!

I would agree w/the part of your post I didn't quote: where most people could not tell the diff in sound between the two if level matched. And would add they would be hard pressed to tell the diff in PQ w/moving (duh! ;-)) frames at a proper seating distance. This isn't where one format is 'vastly' superior than the other; like on a few (very few) previous titles.

The Blu is good too go; although it falls far short of Bay's hype.
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Posted September 09 2008 - 11:53 AM

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Looks like I'll be dumping my HD-DVD version for this so I can have that TrueHD track.

Let me know how you would like to dump it. I would be interested.
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Posted September 09 2008 - 11:59 AM

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Suppose I shouldn't have hid my copy from the general public. Posted Image

It's funny you say that, the BB employee looked it up on the computer and said that one went "missing", so I took it to mean that someone had hidden it behind something else.

So desperate was my search that I took it upon myself to look through every last row of BD's they had which was an entire row front and back. I also looked behind every row of sci-fi dvd's in hopes of finding this "lost" disc lol.

Yeah, I was pissed and determined. Posted Image
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Posted September 09 2008 - 04:13 PM

i've bought this 3x now =D. first on HD DVD, then sold it. now i have 2 copies of it =D. one for me and one for a friend ahhaahah =D.

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Posted September 09 2008 - 05:19 PM

Finally popped in Transformers on Blu this evening. I no longer have the HD-DVD version so this is strictly on memory. Initial reaction was the TrueHD is a stronger mix compared to the DDplus HD-DVD track. I'm sure it's louder but it appears to be simply stronger-specifically in the LFE channel. Just a tad deeper and tighter. I dig tight bass. Posted Image

Image?...I don't know but it kind of seems the Blu-ray is softer looking? Like I said, I don't have the HD-DVD anymore but the BD really does seem overall softer. Still looks pretty good though.

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