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Kino to bring METROPOLIS to Blu-Ray in 2009


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#1 of 110 OFFLINE   Keith Paynter

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Posted June 21 2008 - 01:07 AM

Wow.

Blu-ray.com - Metropolis Coming to Blu-ray in 2009

I am speechless. This is simply one of the best standard DVD restorations out there. To see a classic of this type committed to BD is nothing short of spectacular.

Of course, date specifics would be appreciated, but that it is coming at all is very welcome news, indeed.

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#2 of 110 OFFLINE   Jim_K

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Posted June 21 2008 - 01:21 AM

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#3 of 110 OFFLINE   Travis Brashear

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Posted June 21 2008 - 01:26 AM

What would make this release sheer perfection would be if they finally released the film at 20 fps, rather than the "Keystone Cops" rapid-fire 24 fps the SD DVD is in...or, at the very least, offer both in the same package and let the viewer decide. In spite of Blu-ray's massive storage capacity, though, I'm not holding my breath...
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#4 of 110 OFFLINE   MatthewA

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Posted June 21 2008 - 01:30 AM

Is it possible to do a Blu-Ray at 20 fps?

Enough is enough, Disney. No more evasions or excuses. We DEMAND the release Song of the South on Blu-ray along with the uncut version of Bedknobs and Broomsticks on Blu-ray. I am going to boycott The Walt Disney Company until then. And while you're at it, PLEASE stop dropping DVD/laserdisc extras from Blu-ray releases of other films.


#5 of 110 OFFLINE   Jim_K

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Posted June 21 2008 - 02:04 AM

The frame rate is a matter of contention. The Murnau Foundation backs 24fps which is how it was reportedly shown at the premier. The restoration theatrical run in 2002 was at 20fps which feeds the fire of the controversy. I'd support both versions on the disc but yeah don't hold your breath. Honestly the 24fps rate is fine with me if that's all we get.
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Posted June 21 2008 - 02:21 AM

Split the difference - 22fps. Posted Image

Seriously though, this is very exciting news! Hopefully other Kino titles they've given the deluxe DVD treatment - Nosferatu, The Black Pirate, Queen Kelly, etc. - will follow shortly behind.

And maybe a remaster of the Keaton silents! (One can dream, can't they?)

"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932


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Posted June 21 2008 - 03:40 AM

Unfortunately Blu-ray doesn't support arbitrary framerates, I believe it's just 24p, 50i (25p via 2:2 pulldown) and 60i (30p via 2:2 pulldown). So the options are basically 24fps, 15fps (if you duplicate all frames in a 60i stream) or some type of frame interpolation/conversion which will results in ghosting and/or interlacing artifacts.

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Posted June 21 2008 - 05:02 AM

Sold. This will really show off the quality of the 2K restoration. Hopefully they'll include the music score in PCM 5.1. I think BluRay can handle different framerates. If 22fps can be used via 480i, I assume they can do 22fps at 1080i. 20fps would be too slow, but 22fps looks visually right from examples I've seen. As for Keaton silents, the 1080p sourced remaster of The General on DVD from MK2 and Image (the one with the Alloy Orchestra score) looks almost like a new film. Sherlock Jr and Seven Chances seem to have excellent 35mm sources from how good Kino's releases look. David Shepard had The Hunchback of Notre Dame '23 remastered in 1080p for the recent DVD, but it was sourced from 16mm prints since that's all that survives. Criterion has HD masters on hand for The King of Kings, Pandora's Box, and the Paul Robeson silents they released. MK2 remastered all of Chaplin's films (his estate-owned from after the Mutuals) in HD, plus 2K on Modern Times. I'm hoping that people will give silents a chance on BluRay. Many have excellent image quality on the film elements used for restorations.

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Posted June 21 2008 - 05:24 AM

I just picked up There Will Be Blood the other day and noticed it had a silent short film about oil from the early '20s in HD. I'll have to throw that in to see how it looks as I believe it's the first silent film in HD on BD.

"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932


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Posted June 21 2008 - 06:50 AM

I own a bootleg of the 20 fps version, as well as Kino's original, and can honestly say the 20 fps version is far, far preferable. I, too, will "take what I can get" (and if these observations about 20 fps material on Blu-ray hold to be true, I may have to) but an official presentation of the 20 fps version would be divine.
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Posted June 21 2008 - 12:36 PM

Bought! Now where's Nosferatu; The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari; Der Golem; Douglas Fairbanks silents and Buster Keaton silents? Harold Lloyd was released by a different company, right?

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Posted June 22 2008 - 01:34 AM

Correct. The Harold Lloyd estate has an exclusive deal with New Line.

"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932


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Posted June 22 2008 - 05:02 PM

I'm sure it's too much too ask for the Moroder version as an extra or something.

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Posted June 23 2008 - 02:21 AM

It'd be nice if it were remastered to get rid of the ghosting that plagues the R1 discs; last we heard, Kino didn't have access to the proper master used in R2, but maybe they can swing something for the BD version. 20 fps works much better as the theatrical run demonstrated---even then some action is undercranked, but appropriately so.

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Posted June 23 2008 - 02:55 AM

Actually wasn't the same 25fps PAL master used for the Kino edition, and the ghosting was due to the fact that instead of slowing it down to 24fps for NTSC it was frame interpolated? As mentioned earlier, a 1080p edition running in 24 or 25fps should be perfectly doable, but if you want 20fps or something similar you're going to run into some problems.

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Posted June 23 2008 - 03:34 AM

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Posted June 23 2008 - 06:57 AM

The Moroder version would have to be licenced from Moroder, or whoever the ultimate rights holder is on the version (it was released theatrically in North America by Cinecom, an indie that no longer exists).
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Posted June 23 2008 - 09:37 AM

Yeah, knew it was too much to ask for.

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Posted June 23 2008 - 09:52 AM

It would probably be easier if this was Criterion rather than Kino.
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Posted June 23 2008 - 12:08 PM

The Moroder version was made when the film was in the public domain. Now that the original copyright has been reinstated, the Moroder version will probably only exist in bootleg form from now on. The only way around this would be if something could be worked out between the two parties, an unlikely scenario.




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