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Scott Atwell Star Trek Discussion thread (Series and Films)


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#8521 of 12124 OFFLINE   Ockeghem

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Posted July 15 2013 - 07:23 AM

Nelson,

 

Good catch on the emblem.

 

"Scott, that's cool to see all 5 cast photos put together like that."Ahem.  <Cough cough.>  Ahem.

 

Are you telling me that you've never seen our beloved Edosian navigator or M'Ress at a Star Trek convention? ;)



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Posted July 15 2013 - 02:58 PM

Arex was very nice but M'Ress pretended she was too busy to sign autographs...Nelson, I believe the Thriller episode was based on Robert Bloch's original Jack the Ripper story. He was very interested in the subject, so it was all but inevitable that he would pitch the idea to Star Trek. Both of Shatner's episodes were pretty great, although I didn't love the ending to The Grim Reaper.

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Posted July 15 2013 - 10:37 PM

Lee, I could see that Bloch contributed stories to Thriller in the wiki episode guide. I kinda figured what you said could be the case regarding Bloch's fondness for Jack.I wished I saw Shatner's first Thriller episode, oh well. Hopefully I won't miss his second one.

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Posted July 15 2013 - 10:40 PM

Oh yeah, Arex and M'Ress. It's interesting to think that in the JJ Star Trek, they paid homage to them by having characters that sort of resembled them on the Kelvin.

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Posted July 16 2013 - 08:35 PM

More Federation treachery! The colony on Beta 12A? That must be the iffy one as perhaps it wasn't a real colony, but one created by the entity.

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Posted July 16 2013 - 08:42 PM

I think we might need to keep it to places with actual people. (Although the iffy one I had in mind was mentioned in an episode that aired very close to that one.)

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Posted July 16 2013 - 08:50 PM

Okay, another theory down the drain! :)

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Posted July 16 2013 - 10:08 PM

Yes, you are coming up with good ideas and meanwhile, somewhere some...thing sits back...and laughs...and starts it all over again!

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Posted July 16 2013 - 10:33 PM

The Fabrini? I'm pretty sure it's not them. Or Memory Alpha?

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Posted July 16 2013 - 10:34 PM

I'll be the good soldier who never questions orders. :)

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Posted July 16 2013 - 10:37 PM

Memory Alpha is a very defensible answer. I hadn't thought of it in those terms, but I like it.No, the Fabrini predate the Federation, but...

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Posted July 16 2013 - 10:46 PM

Is that how you get girls to like you? M-113?There's a 'but' in you last post. So I'll have to see if I can decipher that.

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Posted July 16 2013 - 10:54 PM

But Yonada is on a collision course with Daren Five! I'm on a collision course myself Jim...Kirk seems to not know that Daren Five is inhabited in reviewing that sequence.

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Posted July 17 2013 - 03:59 AM

That's why Daran V was my iffy one. In a way, they seem like it is coming "at them" but Kirk does seem to be less than positive as to whether its inhabited which is less likely for a Federation planet. I put it down because I saw both arguments.M-113 brings up the question of colony vs. expedition. I saw it more as a Linke and Ozaba sort of thing.

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Posted July 17 2013 - 05:28 AM

Last night I put on one of my favorite TOS discs (four amazing episodes).  I ended up getting lost on Beta II, and loved every minute of it.  How that music could be so moving each time I listen to the episode is a question I won't be able to answer in this lifetime.Some random thoughts:I've mentioned before how much I love the director's thoughts on how the absorbed characters ought to stride/walk on Beta II.  And the camera tilt during the Red Hour is interesting.  Was that just a fad of the time (like we often see in 1966 Batman), or was it done for a particular reason?  This is also one of those episodes that has a silly rookie comment, which for some reason I really love hearing every now and then.  ("Well this is just silly...").

 

Note to Lee: After a careful viewing of the opening scene after the credits, I noticed that there was no lip-synch problem like there is on one of my VHS copies of this episode.



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Posted July 17 2013 - 06:52 AM

I'm thinking that Monster Illusion might be your favorite track Scott! :)Lee, I can see the argument that Crater and Nancy were like Link and Osaba. And I also was thinking that they were Federation citizens making them eligible for all the support that the Federation requires to pay them visits for resupply and medical aid. But it's just two research scientists and not a whole population of hundreds or millions.

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Posted July 17 2013 - 07:56 AM

Guys,

 

I beg forgiveness for not participating in your most recent trivia question.  Please assure me that the cause was more than sufficient.

 

Nelson,It's a tough call.  I love "Monster Illusion," the D-minor passage where Charlie is observing the crewmen working in Charlie X (heard also in This Side Of Paradise {vacuum dialogue} and Operation: Annihilate when they first beam down to Deneva), "New Capellan In Town," "Ruth," the music that opens after the credits in Friday's Child, the eerie passages during the discussion between Nona and Tyree in A Private Little War and similar segments heard in Catspaw, the opening music to The Paradise Syndrome, and so many, many more.  I also love the extended contrapuntal (fugue) work that permeates so much of TOS (albeit in smaller fragments depending on the scene) which I described in greater length a few months ago. 


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Posted July 17 2013 - 09:43 AM

Nelson, it's a fair point about expeditions. The scientists are definitely all citizens. You just have to give me a few minutes to add in those answers to my list!Scott, however often I return to Archons I always find new rewards. Roddenberry listed it among his ten favorite episodes and people always raised their eyebrows at that choice, but I think it's easy to see what made him proud of that one. Your comments about the direction made me think about the changes in the series over time. The shooting schedule was shortened by somewhere between a half day and a full day between the first season and the latter part of the second season. I think the biggest indicator of that reduction was in the direction. There just wasn't time for some of the more interesting visual choices and setups of the earlier shows. (Not saying there weren't good shows among the later episodes--there were some wonderful ones, and even visually interesting ones.) The second half of the series has, I would argue, less compositional distinction in the shots. It isn't bad, just more formulaic. Your comment seems to illustrate that so well for me because we can actually compare the work of the same director across the series. Joseph Pevney's first three episodes were Arena, Archons, and A Taste of Armageddon. His last one (after the shortened schedule took full effect) was The Immunity Syndrome. I love The Immunity Syndrome, but the scenes are shot in the flattest possible way: master shots intercut with close ups; the camera hardly moves and the positions are VERY familiar. Compare that to the first few, particularly the moments you mentioned in Archons. Did Joseph Pevney suddenly become less creative and duller? More likely, I suggest, that the time saved in the schedule came at the expense of trying more creative or unusual shots in favor of sticking with the tried and true.

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Posted July 17 2013 - 07:19 PM

I think it's time to reevaluate Archon. I'll make an effort to re-view it.Planet Ophiuchus III. Wiving settlers. Come again Mr. Mudd?

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Posted July 17 2013 - 07:47 PM

Yes, the hardest planet to spell in the Federation, I suspect.




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