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#1 of 278 OFFLINE   Diallo B

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Posted February 21 2008 - 08:40 AM

since when did the word 'up/upped' replace the word increase/increased in the english language.

everytime i hear that word used instead of increase/increased it sounds really illiterate dare i say 'ghetto.'

can anyone educate me?
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#2 of 278 OFFLINE   Mark Paquette

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Posted February 21 2008 - 09:01 AM

Since when did capital letters go out of style? Posted Image

#3 of 278 OFFLINE   Diallo B

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Posted February 21 2008 - 09:15 AM

i knew i was going to get it for that. but i have been typing like this for years (code writing, etc...).

at least it is better than ALL CAPS....

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#4 of 278 OFFLINE   andrew markworthy

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Posted February 21 2008 - 09:36 AM

Diallo, I've been typing for years as well, but have managed the difficult task of pressing down the shift key with one finger while typing with another. I promise you, it can be done with practice. Posted Image

Okay, enough of the gratuitous insults. Please can you give an example or twain of this offensive use of 'up'? I can think of 'up the tension', 'up the stakes', 'up the ante', 'up the volume' and several more that are perfectly acceptable in spoken Brit english at least. They probably wouldn't be used in formal written english, but the same applies to many other colloquial expressions (e.g. 'ain't' which is used surprisingly often in spoken educated Brit english).

#5 of 278 OFFLINE   RickER

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Posted February 21 2008 - 09:58 AM

Hey, lets kick it up a notch!
How about we up the ante?

#6 of 278 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted February 21 2008 - 10:02 AM

Or as Red Buttons once said, "Dean Martin should be an example to us all. He wasn't content with just being a singer. He constantly pushed his career up, up, up. Dean upped his career. Up yours!"

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#7 of 278 OFFLINE   Diallo B

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Posted February 21 2008 - 11:03 AM

there is/was actually a good example on the htf frontpage:

i don't see it anymore. i'll try and find it.
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#8 of 278 OFFLINE   Diallo B

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Posted February 21 2008 - 11:16 AM

Examples:

PS3 firmware upped to 2.0
PS3 firmware upped to 2.0 - News at GameSpot

Flowers Foods' stock repurchase plan upped
Flowers Foods' stock repurchase plan upped - Atlanta Business Chronicle:

U.S. ups tsunami aid from $35 million to $350 million
CNN.com - U.S.*ups tsunami aid*from $35 million to $350 million - Dec 31, 2004

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#9 of 278 OFFLINE   BrianW

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Posted February 22 2008 - 12:01 AM

Upping one's language skills? I'm down with that. And that's on the level.
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#10 of 278 OFFLINE   Jeff Gatie

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Posted February 22 2008 - 04:05 AM

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i knew i was going to get it for that. but i have been typing like this for years (code writing, etc...).

at least it is better than ALL CAPS....

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I've also been coding for years (over 20) and I find if I follow certain rules and conventions, my code is easier to read and share with others. Imagine if they had the same types of rules and conventions for writing English? Hmmmm, I may be on to something . . . Posted Image

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Posted February 22 2008 - 05:03 AM

Actually, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, "up" is a perfectly valid synonym for "increase" when used as a verb.

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Posted February 22 2008 - 11:35 AM

Edna: "Embiggens? I never heard that word before I moved to Springfield."
Ms. Hoover: "I don't know why. It's a perfectly cromulent word."
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Wiggum: " Good God he is fabulous."
Skinner: "Yes he's embiggened that role with his cromulent performance."

So the next obvious evolution of language should be the replacement of "up/upped" with "embiggen/embiggened". It's the cromulent thing to do.

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#13 of 278 OFFLINE   Bryan X

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Posted February 23 2008 - 01:16 AM

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So the next obvious evolution of language should be the replacement of "up/upped" with "embiggen/embiggened". It's the cromulent thing to do.

That just makes my Patula Obendala hurt.

#14 of 278 OFFLINE   Diallo B

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Posted March 03 2008 - 10:18 AM

'Transformers,' 'Shrek 3' DVD Sales Up Viacom Profit

how about "'Transformers,' 'Shrek 3' DVD Sales INCREASE/S Viacom Profit/s"

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#15 of 278 OFFLINE   Scott_J

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Posted March 03 2008 - 11:15 AM

All the examples you're giving are headlines of news articles. Headlines traditionally use abbreviations/slang in order to save space. You shouldn't expect to see proper grammar in headlines.

Find articles that use the term "upped" in the actual body, not the headline, and your point will be more valid.

#16 of 278 OFFLINE   Jeff Ulmer

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Posted March 03 2008 - 11:30 AM

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Diallo, I've been typing for years as well, but have managed the difficult task of pressing down the shift key with one finger while typing with another. I promise you, it can be done with practice. Posted Image
Says the guy whose name is lowercase...Posted Image

It is my impression that people like to appear uneducated, that can be the only explanation for it, especially when they are criticizing someone else's writing while brutalizing the language in their response.

#17 of 278 OFFLINE   Mike Frezon

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Posted March 03 2008 - 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Diallo B
since when did the word 'up/upped' replace the word increase/increased in the english language.

everytime i hear that word used instead of increase/increased it sounds really illiterate dare i say 'ghetto.'

can anyone educate me?

Awhile ago. I'm not sure, Diallo, why you react so harshly to that particular use of that particular word.

From dictionary.com:

–verb (used with object)
--to make larger; step up: to up output.
--to raise; go better than (a preceding wager): to up the ante.

From American Heritage Dictionary:

v. tr.

1. To increase: upped their fees; upping our output.
2. To raise to a higher level, especially to promote to a higher position.

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

transitive verb

1: raise, lift
2 a: to advance to a higher level: (1): increase (2): promote 1a b: raise


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'Transformers,' 'Shrek 3' DVD Sales Up Viacom Profit

how about "'Transformers,' 'Shrek 3' DVD Sales INCREASE/S Viacom Profit/s"


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All the examples you're giving are headlines of news articles. Headlines traditionally use abbreviations/slang in order to save space. You shouldn't expect to see proper grammar in headlines.

Find articles that use the term "upped" in the actual body, not the headline, and your point will be more valid.

But it is a legitimate use of the word as recognized in most (if not all) major dictionaries.

Scott is correct about the headlines, though. The idea is to keep 'em short. Headline-writing is a true talent. Remember Variety's "Stix Nix Hix Pix?" One can use improper spelling in tabloid headlines in order to creatively get the point across in shortened fashion. But rather than a mis-use, I would characterize the use of "up" in a headline as simply a short word that means increase.

After all, the headline from homemediaretailing.com wasn't going to read:

"The Viacom company greatly increased its profits through the sales of DVDs of the films Transformers and Shrek 3."

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#18 of 278 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted March 04 2008 - 03:00 AM

Put me down as one of those who are amazed that anyone who ignores capitalization conventions (which are in place to make writing easier to read) comes down on the language/grammar cops side.

I was an IT professional for many years and fired more than one technician who had poor written communication skills. Not to demean your technical skills, but there are many people who can code (and a significant number of those do not have English as their native language), but not so many who can convey to customers or users what they are doing and why.
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#19 of 278 OFFLINE   Diallo B

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Posted March 04 2008 - 03:15 AM

i am not getting defensive or insulted by the comments about my lack of capitalization. but i do want to make a statement.

no to toot my own horn i have some of the best writing/oratory/vocabulary skills among my peers and co-workers. as a matter of fact i have received 'feedback' that i need to 'tone down' my vocabulary while speaking and that my professional writing is some of the best that my management chain has ever seen.

so to make a long story short my shorthand on an internet forum is not representative of how i communicate in a professional setting. its just the internet folks.

additionally, i would hate to see how some of you would react to the shorthand that is commonly used in IM and text messaging.
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#20 of 278 OFFLINE   Diallo B

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Posted March 04 2008 - 03:17 AM

back to the original topic.....

i don't know why it irks me so bad either. as soon as i read it or hear someone use the term it annoys the hell out of me. it especially grates my ears when i hear news announcers or people in professional settings use the term.
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