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#1 of 22 OFFLINE   stewart borland

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Posted January 23 2008 - 01:31 AM

The harmless joke, to brighten the after hours lounge has been removed. The intention was to raise a smile not hackles.
I'm surprised and a little disappointed though. I'll PM it to anybody who wants a laugh.

#2 of 22 OFFLINE   Jeff Gatie

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Posted January 23 2008 - 01:34 AM

Uhhh, this is a violation of so many HTF rules, I don't know where to start (although starting with politics and religion is one place).

#3 of 22 OFFLINE   Johnny Angell

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Posted January 23 2008 - 02:04 AM

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Uhhh, this is a violation of so many HTF rules, I don't know where to start (although starting with politics and religion is one place).
I don't think it's such a big violation. While the setting of the joke is religious, it's not like he's advocating a particular religion. Whether you like Tony or not, no matter what your political stance, the premise of the joke is funny. After all, once any campaign is over, the promises are soon forgotten.
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#4 of 22 OFFLINE   stewart borland

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Posted January 23 2008 - 02:08 AM

Jeff - since there are no smilies in your post I guess I have to assume you are being serious?
If my JOKE has offended you in any way then I apologise, but I have to say it is just so sad that some of us are now so politically correct that even a simple JOKE is cause for concern.

Every other forum I have posted it on has resulted in 'rave reviews' - although other than here, none of them were outside the UK??

#5 of 22 OFFLINE   Charles Guajardo

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Posted January 23 2008 - 02:09 AM

Aren't there forum rules about posting lame "jokes" in the after hours lounge?

#6 of 22 OFFLINE   Jeff Gatie

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Posted January 23 2008 - 02:34 AM

It didn't offend me at all. I don't take personal offense at any joke (as long as it is funny). But others do and while not overtly religious, it was certainly more than overtly political. Even though I sympathize greatly with the sentiments expressed in the joke, HTF rules ban that type of stuff (with good reason).

#7 of 22 OFFLINE   stewart borland

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Posted January 23 2008 - 02:50 AM

After Hours Lounge (96 Viewing)
Kick back, relax, AND HAVE FUN ??

This is more like the response I was expecting (i.e. fun) here, but this is from the PC Pro Forum in the UK -

"I don't know what impresses me more; the joke, or the fact that you can get the internet in Glencoe."

"Brilliant"

"That's class."

"I'm actually laughing out loud to myself right now heheh. Excellent stuff!"


Perhaps I should have typed "Joke" as part of the subject line and then more serious readers could have just not opened the post.

#8 of 22 OFFLINE   Jeff Gatie

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Posted January 23 2008 - 03:04 AM

Stewart,

I only informed you of the rules. I am not offended, I am not "PC" (as a matter of fact I am as anti-PC as anyone could ever get) and I am not trying to stifle your free expression or even comment on the quality or comedic value of your joke. I am just speaking from experience that jokes such as these (i.e. overtly political) have been found to be against the rules. Instead of taking my information at face value, you seem to think I'm persecuting you. I am not. Although I do find it ironic that those accusing me of being unjustifiably "offended" by a joke are the one's who are acting the most offended.

Me offended by a satirical look at socialism? Posted Image If you do a search for all my posts containing the word "socialism" and "socialist", you would see that me being offended by a critique of socialism is the pinnacle of humor present in this thread.

#9 of 22 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted January 23 2008 - 04:11 AM

It is often not the joke per se but the inevitable political or religious argument that will follow certain jokes that makes it necessary to include them in the general ban on political and religious posts. This isn't some arbitrary rule, it is the fruit of long and bitter experience with the kind of flame wars this sort of thing once produced here, and observation of other boards that were either destroyed by such arguments or taken over by the to the point where only a minority of posts concerned the ostensible subject of the site. Ron and Parker decided they didn't want that here and drew a very clear line to stop it. There is no, "But it's just a joke" exception because there is always somebody who is going to be offended or use it as a jumping off point for a discussion of the serious issues being mocked and then we're off to the races.

Hell, it is bad enough with all the pseudo-religious fights we've had around here over things like Mac vs. PC, DD vs. DTS, HD-DVD vs. Blu Ray, wooden blocks, high-priced cables and green magic markers. (Not to mention laserdisc vs. DVD, once upon a time...)

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#10 of 22 OFFLINE   Jeff Gatie

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Posted January 23 2008 - 04:32 AM

Listen to Joe . . . He knows of what he speaks. After all, he's been a member since Dec. 1969. Posted Image

#11 of 22 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted January 23 2008 - 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stewart borland
After Hours Lounge (96 Viewing)
Kick back, relax, AND HAVE FUN ??
You should have quoted a little further:
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One note of caution, however: All the HTF standards of conduct apply here;
I didn't see the "joke" in question, but based on the discussion that followed, it appears that HTF Rule 4 would have applied:

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We do not permit the discussion of politics or religion at HTF.
There is no exception for "jokes". The reasons have been well explained by previous posters.

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#12 of 22 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted January 23 2008 - 09:10 AM

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Listen to Joe . . . He knows of what he speaks. After all, he's been a member since Dec. 1969. Posted Image

And don't you forget it! Posted Image

I started when home theater consisted of a 16mm projector and screen, and we exchanged posts by mailing 8" floppys to one another so that we could load them on our IBM System 360s at work. Posted Image

Actually a few of us ended up having our join dates pushed back to 1969 when the Forum ate some accounts following a software upgrade a couple of years ago. Personally, I like it. I usually just tell people I'm a time traveller. Posted Image

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#13 of 22 OFFLINE   Dave Poehlman

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Posted January 23 2008 - 09:34 AM

Three things never to be discussed on the HTF:
  • Politics
  • Religion
  • Bose speakers


#14 of 22 OFFLINE   Patrick Sun

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Posted January 23 2008 - 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Poehlman
Three things never to be discussed on the HTF:
  • Bose speakers
  • Politics
  • Religion

Fixed the order of the list.
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#15 of 22 OFFLINE   Steve_Pannell

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Posted January 23 2008 - 11:55 AM

We had a campaign rally at our church and the P.A. system had Bose speakers. Is that ok?

I am just joking, of course. Posted Image

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Posted January 23 2008 - 12:05 PM

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We had a campaign rally at our church and the P.A. system had Bose speakers. Is that ok?

I am just joking, of course. Posted Image

Hey I take offence to that!! Posted Image My church really does have Bose speakers!!Posted ImagePosted Image

#17 of 22 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted January 23 2008 - 02:04 PM

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Hey I take offence to that!! Posted Image My church really does have Bose speakers!!Posted ImagePosted Image

God help them. Posted Image

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#18 of 22 OFFLINE   Jimi C

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Posted January 23 2008 - 03:53 PM

I dont get it.
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#19 of 22 OFFLINE   Johnny Angell

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Posted January 23 2008 - 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Gatie
It didn't offend me at all. I don't take personal offense at any joke (as long as it is funny). But others do and while not overtly religious, it was certainly more than overtly political. Even though I sympathize greatly with the sentiments expressed in the joke, HTF rules ban that type of stuff (with good reason).
The joke made a comment about all politics, at least that's how I read it. I found it non-partisan and the religious aspect to it was only to serve the purpose of skewering all politicians.

It was funny. RIP to Stewart's joke.

Edit: But what do I know? I have Bose speakersPosted Image
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#20 of 22 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted January 23 2008 - 04:11 PM

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The joke made a comment about all politics, at least that's how I read it. I found it non-partisan and the religious aspect to it was only to serve the purpose of skewering all politicians.
So what? HTF Rule 4 is simple and straightforward. There is no exception for jokes, and there is no exception for "non-partisan" observations.

We really don't have that many rules here, but the ones that we do have aren't subject to personal interpretation or "I think it should work this way". They're also not up for debate; see Rule 20.

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