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Toshiba A3 170 bucks at Sears on Black Friday


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#1 of 31 OFFLINE   London Lawson

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Posted October 28 2007 - 02:23 PM

http://forums.slickd....uid=0&t=641373

The first pdf has it on there

#2 of 31 OFFLINE   Chris S

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Posted October 28 2007 - 04:29 PM

Looks like my question on whether to go with an A2 or A3 has been decided. Posted Image

According to the ad it will also be available online. Any takers on whether this will crash their site? I know I'll be hitting refresh all morning.
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#3 of 31 OFFLINE   Cees Alons

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Posted October 28 2007 - 10:19 PM

Those Walmart (Chinese) HD DVD players will need to be significantly less expensive, because these are the genuine Toshibas!

Below $150 certainly makes sense now.


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#4 of 31 OFFLINE   Jerome Grate

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Posted October 29 2007 - 12:45 AM

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Those Walmart (Chinese) HD DVD players will need to be significantly less expensive, because these are the genuine Toshibas!

Below $150 certainly makes sense now.

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I thought Walmart denied that they would have those type of players.
Either way, looking very promising.
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#5 of 31 OFFLINE   Aaron Silverman

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Posted October 29 2007 - 04:31 AM

What are the specs on the A3? Does it do full 1080p output?
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#6 of 31 OFFLINE   Tim Glover

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Posted October 29 2007 - 04:51 AM

Aaron:

A3.....1080i
A30....1080p
A35....1080p

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Posted October 29 2007 - 05:18 AM

this deal is very very tempting, but i've had my eyes set on the A35.

I may use this deal to help get friends onboard though...
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#8 of 31 OFFLINE   London Lawson

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Posted October 29 2007 - 06:28 AM

How much of a difference is there between 1080i/1080p? And between 720p for the matter.

#9 of 31 OFFLINE   Cees Alons

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Posted October 29 2007 - 06:44 AM

PQ-wise there's absolutely no difference between 1080i and 1080p, of course. Both have the full HD resolution of 1080 horizontal lines.

Whether or not you see a difference with a 720 lines picture, depends on the distance of your TV set (and it's size). When you watch a 39" image, or smaller, from a 12 - 15 ft distance, you won't see a difference between a 720p image and a 1080p image.


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#10 of 31 OFFLINE   London Lawson

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Posted October 29 2007 - 06:48 AM

I have a 720p/1080i 50 inch Samsung DLP, well the PQ be about the same from my normal viewing distances of 10-12 feet?

#11 of 31 OFFLINE   Cees Alons

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Posted October 29 2007 - 07:59 AM

No, you will certainly see the difference! Posted Image
(But even that huge TV will allow you to sit closer, say 8', if you need or want to, without viewing problems when you're watching genuine 1080-material.)


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#12 of 31 OFFLINE   Chris S

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Posted October 29 2007 - 02:49 PM

My rule of thumb is that anything under 42" you'll likely not be able to tell a difference between 720p and 1080i at a reasonable viewing distance... Unless you read this forum. Posted Image

Most of the small differences in picture quality aren't typically discernible to the average and slightly above average person but once you read thread discussions pointing out the small blemishes it will start to become more and more apparent.

That said I'm still not convinced I can see differences between 1080i and 1080p at a screen size less than 56".
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#13 of 31 OFFLINE   Cees Alons

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Posted October 29 2007 - 09:46 PM

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There IS no difference between 1080i and 1080p. How could it? They're exactly the same image.

(A 1080p transfer fills the image-buffer line-after-line; a 1080i transfer fills the odd lines first, then the even lines. The resulting image, read by the display, is the same, of course.)


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Posted October 30 2007 - 12:31 AM

In high motion scenes I can see a slight difference. Again the overall image has to be pretty large. A buddy and I did some blind testing with a couple projectors awhile back trying to determine which he should buy. Each time I could pick out a slight difference.
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Posted October 30 2007 - 12:55 AM

The 1080i/p difference is dependent on your display's video processing capabilities. Some can detect the cadence (and properly deinterlace) and some can't. The cadence coming out of 1080 24fps material that has been interlaced to 1080i 60 should be a piece of cake for most displays to handle.

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Posted October 30 2007 - 05:44 AM

Tim, thanks for the list. We'll see. Posted Image
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Posted October 30 2007 - 06:25 AM

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There IS no difference between 1080i and 1080p. How could it? They're exactly the same image.

(A 1080p transfer fills the image-buffer line-after-line; a 1080i transfer fills the odd lines first, then the even lines. The resulting image, read by the display, is the same, of course.)
That's all well and good, but when feeding 1080i into a 1080p display one has to hope that the display can correctly deinterlace and apply inverse telecine, which a great many cannot.

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Posted October 30 2007 - 07:31 AM

Romier,

True, but strange enough it was the other way around in many TV-sets until last year.

Apparently, they had de-interlacing logic installed and to accept 1080p, the manufacturer had added an interlacing circuit in these machines. Sometimes these worked lousy, sometimes not, but it added another level anyway.

I think that the newest TV sets and projectors simply handle both, 1080i and 1080p, correctly. If they do, the "theoretical" question of which of the two is best becomes moot.

I make a point of this, because so often one encounters the notion that 1080i would be a lower grade of 1080p (somehow closer to 720p, or worse Posted Image ), which isn't true at all.


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Posted October 30 2007 - 02:42 PM

No problem Aaron. Good Luck man! Posted Image

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Posted October 31 2007 - 04:48 AM

Best Buy has the A2 for 180 now





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