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#1 of 18 OFFLINE   Brent T

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Posted October 27 2007 - 01:03 AM

Read below to have the ending make sense.

Its this simple, Saw 3 and Saw 4 were happening at exact same time


#2 of 18 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted October 27 2007 - 05:46 AM

I agree that the timeline was confusing. As I left the theater, I made sense of it but having the
autopsy and then having the movie be a flashback
was certainly confusing.

The requisite twist ending was pushing believability even for a Saw movie but it's in the same vein as the original where they had a twist about who the killer was at the end.

I guess we'll see the demise of the FBI agent that survived in Saw V.
Overall, I liked the movie and look forward to the non-MPAA version of it on DVD but those were some things that I felt were a problem for the movie.

#3 of 18 OFFLINE   Paul_Medenwaldt

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Posted October 27 2007 - 09:29 AM

Brent

As I thought about it more last night, your description of the film came to light as I tried to piece the movie together. I just have a few questions about the whole timing sequence.

Sorry for spoilers, but my guess is you've already seen the movie if you are here:

I would like to know where the FBI agent is after he shot the father and when the door was closed at the end? Was he in the room? My belief is the body had already been removed by the FBI agent and at that point that is where IV starts is with the autopsy and then the detective gets the recording which at that point the game with the Riggs character Eric Matthews has already concluded and I'm so damn confused LOL

I guess my one concern is about the little girl that is trapped? They never answered that question.

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#4 of 18 OFFLINE   Travis Brashear

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Posted October 27 2007 - 10:14 AM

No, they didn't answer what happened to Jeff's daughter, nor what was in Amanda's letter, nor what the blessed f*@k ever really happened to Dr. Lawrence Gordon. See you at SAW V...

I liked it quite a bit (
Donnie Wahlberg's offing was insane!
), and was rather astonished that the new writers were able to live so closely up to the level set by the regular series writers. My one and only complaint was that I was not narratively satisfied with the reveal of Jigsaw's new accomplice. There's been nothing I've found in SAW III or IV to make a logical narrative through-line to this reveal, but I suppose we'll get more after-the-fact insights into this with SAW V...
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#5 of 18 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted October 27 2007 - 11:01 AM

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I would like to know where the FBI agent is after he shot the father and when the door was closed at the end? Was he in the room? My belief is the body had already been removed by the FBI agent...
The autopsy is the furthest point on the timeline that the story has gone. The rest of the movie is flashback and how the
new bad guy silenced the FBI agent and 'discovered' Jigsaw's body is presumably going to be in Saw V.

For someone with a better memory than me, did they show Jigsaw dripping wax over the casette tape in the theatrical cut of Saw III? I just watched the director's cut this week and that scene was there but I'm wondering if that's something they added to the director's cut just to create a tighter continuity or if was something that was actually in the theatrical version.

#6 of 18 OFFLINE   Paul_Medenwaldt

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Posted October 27 2007 - 11:53 AM

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For someone with a better memory than me, did they show Jigsaw dripping wax over the casette tape in the theatrical cut of Saw III? I just watched the director's cut this week and that scene was there but I'm wondering if that's something they added to the director's cut just to create a tighter continuity or if was something that was actually in the theatrical version.

Yes, but it was so quick. I remember watching III in the theater and saw him put something on the table next to him and cover it with something and that bugged the hell out of me of why and what he was doing.

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#7 of 18 OFFLINE   Joe Karlosi

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Posted October 27 2007 - 11:57 AM

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Sorry for spoilers, but my guess is you've already seen the movie if you are here:


Nope, not yet.

#8 of 18 OFFLINE   Inspector Hammer!

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Posted October 27 2007 - 01:08 PM

These films get more and more twisted with each passing one. Posted Image

I really like how all these movies connect themselves to each other, it's a brilliant plot device that allows for multiple versions of events that were happening all at once, even if we never saw certain characters in the previous film. It was cool seeing Scott Patterson again, he's certaintly a loooong way from Stars Hollow and Luke's Diner here lol.

So, are they going to keep making SAW film's every single Halloween until the end of time? I mean they have to stop at some point right? Probably when they stop raking in the bloody cash. I understand that Jigsaw is dead but how many more twisted freaks are out there that were influenced by his "work" and will continue it?

These movies all have a feeling of going on forever like some demented funhouse ride that doesn't seem to have an exit, they feel like purgatory in which every character in the films have found themselves trapped and the normal world ceases to exist, they're every move and action manipulated.

Worst trap for me in this one was the
hair-twisting scalp ripper and the face forced into knives foillowed by falling into razor wire is a runner up. Posted Image


Walberg got it good, too, you might say he was just "hangin' tough' Posted Image (okay, bad New Kids joke) although I would think that ice would have melted alot faster than it did with those heat lamps on it, but oh well. I must admit that I generally don't like these types of torture horror films but the murders in these films are so out there they can't be taken seriously, I actually love seeing what new and aweful traps they come up with in each new entry. Posted Image

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#9 of 18 OFFLINE   DavidPla

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Posted October 27 2007 - 07:16 PM

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So, are they going to keep making SAW film's every single Halloween until the end of time? I mean they have to stop at some point right? Probably when they stop raking in the bloody cash. I understand that Jigsaw is dead but how many more twisted freaks are out there that were influenced by his "work" and will continue it?

It's this generation's "Friday the 13th" where there's pretty much a new one every year. Let's just hope they don't get to the point where Jigsaw goes to space.

#10 of 18 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted October 27 2007 - 08:56 PM

This thread is now designated the Official Discussion Thread for "Saw IV". Please, post all comments, links to outside reviews, film and box office discussion items to this thread.

All HTF member film reviews of "Saw IV" should be posted to the Official Review Thread.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.


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#11 of 18 OFFLINE   Travis Brashear

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Posted October 28 2007 - 01:13 AM

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So, are they going to keep making SAW film's every single Halloween until the end of time? I mean they have to stop at some point right? Probably when they stop raking in the bloody cash. I understand that Jigsaw is dead but how many more twisted freaks are out there that were influenced by his "work" and will continue it?

Allegedly, they will film SAW V and VI at the same time, take a break from distribution next fall, then release them Halloweens 2009 and 2010. Then the series will be complete (though, yes, money speaks louder than discretion).
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#12 of 18 OFFLINE   Joe Karlosi

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Posted October 28 2007 - 06:38 AM

Okay, that's the end of the line for me with this series. I loved the first one and found it quite interesting and original (****) and I thought the second was 'good', and the third one kind of 'so-so'.... but the new chapter is an absolute mess. And I don't just mean in the sense that there's the usual blood, guts, and slime everywhere you look... I'm talking about it being incoherent and impossible to follow to the point of it hurting your head. There is no longer anything fresh here, it's now just completely repetitious and dull. It's okay in my book if a film is jumbled in the way it tries to tell its story, just as long as if you get lost, the movie is able to bring you back. No such luck here -- I didn't know who the characters were, who was doing what or why, and the camera never sat still for a second. Just a really frustrating experience, and I am personally content to let my personal SAW library end at the three DVDs currently sitting on my shelves.

#13 of 18 OFFLINE   CoreyII

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Posted October 30 2007 - 08:45 PM

I don't know if this has ever been mentioned before, but I think what will happen , is that movie #6 will tie everything together. Saw VI will be the final piece of the puzzle, henceforth the name Jigsaw Puzzle. I think each film is a but a piece to a large cinematic puzzle. Of course, that is assuming Lionsgate stops at #6.

I must give Lionsgate credit, within the short amount of time that the Saw films have been out, the company has managed to create one of the most original villains in the history of horror movies. Jigsaw, in my opinion can easily stand alongside Freddy Krueger, Jason Vorhees, Leatherface, and the legendary Michael Myers.

I have mentioned this before and I'll mention it again, Jigsaw is as much of a Batman villain as he is a horror movie villain. Jigsaw is highly intelligent, twisted, and is motivated by personal tragedy, sounds like the ingredients for a great Batman villain to me.

Who knows maybe one day the people at Lionsgate will sit down with the folks at DC Comics and hash out the plans for a Batman vs. Jigsaw comic. I for one would buy it.

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Posted October 31 2007 - 04:41 AM

Saw III is still my favorite, but I enjoyed IV a lot. It was more like Saw III part 2, but I can live with that if it all comes together in the final film. I'm looking forward to final films.

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Posted November 04 2007 - 04:43 AM

Loved it!. These just get better and better.

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These films get more and more twisted with each passing one. Posted Image

I really like how all these movies connect themselves to each other, it's a brilliant plot device that allows for multiple versions of events that were happening all at once, even if we never saw certain characters in the previous film.

And that is what keeps Saw from just being a "torture porn" movie like Hostel and Captivity type movies. You get the gruesome FX, but you get a great story that carries through all of the films. Saw 4 had the fewest gore scenes I think of the series, but the story kept you interested.

#16 of 18 OFFLINE   Travis Brashear

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Posted November 04 2007 - 04:55 AM

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Saw 4 had the fewest gore scenes I think of the series, but the story kept you interested.

Per capita, probably, but, for me, the opening autopsy matched the impact of all of SAW 1-3's gore scenes combined. It was deliciously, perversely sick!
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Posted November 06 2007 - 02:47 PM

I managed to have a private screening of this today (nobody goes to movies at 5:15 pm apparently Posted Image ). I wasn't so sure what I thought of it right after it was over. But after I thought about it some and worked out the timeline of the story, it's really quite genius. The original is still probably my fave, but this would be a very close second.

Unfortunately, by making the audience have to think so hard to work out the twists they risk losing some of them, but it's great to find a horror franchise willing to take that risk by actually inserting a plot you have to think about a little rather than just jumping from gore to gore.

Obviously, a lot of critics didn't figure out the timeline, either, since several went on and on about how many tapes Jigsaw "released" posthumously. The only one actually played after he was dead was the one found in his stomach.

I did think it was a little too cliche that they let the timer run all the way to 00:01 when Rigg tripped the final trap. Anything other than one second would have been a little less eye-roll inducing. Posted Image

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Per capita, probably, but, for me, the opening autopsy matched the impact of all of SAW 1-3's gore scenes combined. It was deliciously, perversely sick!
I agree. It was completely disgusting...but great! I just sat there thinking, I can't believe the MPAA sat watching all this and let it through. I also kept expecting the coroner to set off a trap that had been surgically implanted somehow. Posted Image

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And that is what keeps Saw from just being a "torture porn" movie like Hostel and Captivity type movies. You get the gruesome FX, but you get a great story that carries through all of the films. Saw 4 had the fewest gore scenes I think of the series, but the story kept you interested.
Exactly. People are sick of torture/gore films that have nothing going for them but the gore. At least with SAW you get an interesting story and plot twists.

Bring on Saw V ! Posted Image

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#18 of 18 OFFLINE   Inspector Hammer!

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Posted November 06 2007 - 03:02 PM

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I also kept expecting the coroner to set off a trap that had been surgically implanted somehow. Posted Image

Me too lol. It reminded of an episode of Bones where an anthropologist was cutting into the skull of a severed head and the killer implanted a bag of poison gas to explode.

The one thing that keeps me grounded when watching these films, and even makes me laugh a little, during scenes like that autopsy is remembering that Tobin Bell was the guy who ran the record store on Seinfeld and told Kramer and Newman to get lost. Posted Image

It's impossible to find Jigsaw threatening when you constantly have that stuck in your head. Posted Image
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