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When did the monarchy in England lose power?


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#1 of 83 todd s

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Posted October 12 2007 - 04:30 AM

I know it goes back to the Magna Carta. But, when did the English monarchy loose its political power?

Just curious.
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#2 of 83 Marianne

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Posted October 12 2007 - 05:18 AM

Some info here:

http://en.wikipedia....ritish_monarchy

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Posted October 12 2007 - 09:46 AM

Wasn't it when Sean Connery quit playing James Bond? Posted Image

#4 of 83 Dennis Nicholls

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Posted October 12 2007 - 11:57 AM

Sean Connery is a Scot: he ain't no Englishman.
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#5 of 83 Dennis Nicholls

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Posted October 12 2007 - 11:59 AM

The monarchy lost power over centuries. Perhaps the turning point is when the House of Windsor was brought in from Hanover in 1714 as a Protestant alternative to the Catholic pretender who was the son of James II. From that point on the monarch owed his/her crown to Parliament, not directly to God Almighty.
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#6 of 83 JeremyErwin

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Posted October 12 2007 - 12:05 PM

Ever since 1707, when the Act of Union., which abolished the title, was passed.

The Queen of the United Kindom still has reserve powers She last appointed a prime minister, on her own authority, in 1969.

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Posted October 12 2007 - 12:07 PM

I know he's a Scot, Dennis... My ancestors were as well. But wasn't James Bond supposed to be an Englishman?

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Posted October 12 2007 - 12:16 PM

James Bond, is indeed, a Scotsman
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James Bond's parents are Andrew Bond, a Scotsman, and Monique Delacroix, from Canton de Vaud, Switzerland. Their nationalities were established in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Fleming emphasized Bond's Scottish heritage in admiration of Sean Connery's cinematic portrayal, whereas Bond's mother is named after a Swiss fiancée of Fleming's. A planned, but unwritten, novel would have portrayed Bond's mother as a Scot. Ian Fleming was a member of a prominent Scottish banking family.[5] In his fictional biography of secret agent 007, John Pearson gave Bond's birth date as 11 November (Armistice Day) 1920; however, there is no evidence of it in Fleming's novels. In the novel On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Bond's family motto is found to be "Orbis non sufficit" ("The world is not enough"). The novel also states that the family that used this motto may not necessarily be the same Bond family James Bond came from.[6]


#9 of 83 Dennis Nicholls

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Posted October 12 2007 - 12:16 PM

I want to see you go up to Connery and call him an Englishman. Can I sell the photos of when he punches your lights out? Posted Image

[Personally I'm ethnically English, Welsh, Scot, and Scots-Irish. Through my great-great Grandfather, A. D. Drew, I'm related to the Spencer Churchills and thus am a cousin of her late Majesty the Princess of Wales and her sons.]
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Posted October 12 2007 - 03:05 PM

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In his fictional biography of secret agent 007, John Pearson gave Bond's birth date as 11 November (Armistice Day) 1920
I vaguely remember that one of the Bond novels gives the year of his birth as 1926.

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Posted October 13 2007 - 03:52 AM

Princess Diana was a Highness not a Majesty. Posted Image

Sho, shonny, you think I'm English! Shtitch that, like we shay in Glashgow!!

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Posted October 13 2007 - 10:51 AM

Posted Image Shows how much I know about James Bond. I know Connery is a Scot but I thought the studios were trying to pull a fast one on everyone and say a Scotsman and an Englishman are close enough, one can pass for the other onscreen.

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Posted October 13 2007 - 11:40 AM

That's OK, the studios DID try to make us accept Connery as a Barbary Pirate once. Posted Image

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"What kind of rifle does he [Teddy R.] use?" Posted Image
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Posted October 14 2007 - 01:17 AM

It is well known amongst the intelligentsia that the Royal Family are in fact shape-shifting space lizards and their apparent loss of power was a clever ruse:
http://news.scotsman...fm?id=147792006
Honestly, don't any of you guys keep up with the serious news?

For the full impact of this story, you really need to have been immersed in Brit culture for some time. David Icke has been a figure of (well, let's put it as diplomatically as possible) interest for some time. Imagine one of your well-respected sports commentators giving up the day job, entering green politics and then progressing from there to declaring they are the reincarnation of Jesus and warning about space iguanas running the world, and you'll get some sort of idea of Mr Icke's status in the Brit media.

#15 of 83 Dennis Nicholls

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Posted October 14 2007 - 04:04 AM

Oh my goodness. And here I had believed that this was the limits of oddity in British politics www.republic.org.uk .

To be fair to Mr. Icke, the House of Hanover is considered alien to the UK.

How did the Green Party get rid of him?
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Posted October 14 2007 - 04:33 AM

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Oh my goodness. And here I had believed that this was the limits of oddity in British politics www.republic.org.uk .
Is republicanism so odd? I'm not really sure what the Presidents of Ireland, Israel, etc actually do, but does the United Kingdom really need an unelected head of state?

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Posted October 14 2007 - 08:16 AM

Please keep a certain type of politics out of this post, if possible!

I mean, I have to bite my knuckles NOT to reposte: "Did the US really need an unelected...".

OK, you've had new elections since then. But let's drop that subject. Posted Image


The truth is: the person may not be elected by an individual election round, the method of appointing that person (birth into a certain appointed family) is officially chosen by a majority of the voters and carefully described in a lawful and accepted document.


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Posted October 14 2007 - 10:29 AM

No offense intended. In the United Kingdom, the "Head of State" is the queen; in Israel and Ireland, it's the president. In those states, political control remains with the prime minister.

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Posted October 15 2007 - 02:23 AM

If you want to read a sensible but very entertaining book on the Brit Royal Family, try: The Royals, written by Jeremy Paxman (perhaps our most respected poltical TV interviewer). This gives what is probably the nearest thing to a concensus opinion of Brits on the topic - i.e. we're not phenomenally keen on a monarchy but we hate the alternatives even more (for us, that is - what other countries choose is their own business). Out and out republicanism is, and always has been, a minority interest in the UK, and I would guess in most of the surviving European monarchies.

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Posted October 15 2007 - 04:25 AM

Andrew, as you may recall I'm starting a book project, and am therefore reading copiously on history and politics in the UK/Can/Aus. I just ordered this book used via Amazon (for $2 Posted Image)

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Is the author a serious person or is this another David Icke?

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what is probably the nearest thing to a concensus opinion of Brits on the topic - i.e. we're not phenomenally keen on a monarchy but we hate the alternatives even more

I have gathered as much, but it's always difficult as a foreigner to gauge the opinions in another country.

Didn't Churchill say "democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the alternatives"?
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