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#1 of 21 OFFLINE   Henry Gale

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Posted September 19 2007 - 11:26 PM

David Cronenberg's new film opens wide tomorrow!

It's been in a theater in Houston for for a week or two but I wasn't up for that trip.

Anybody seen this yet?

Heard a good interview with David & Viggo on NPR.
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#2 of 21 OFFLINE   Rich Romero

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Posted September 20 2007 - 12:05 AM

Definitely going to see it on Saturday. Can't wait.
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#3 of 21 OFFLINE   JohnRice

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Posted September 20 2007 - 02:26 AM

I haven't seen it yet, but I do think Cronenberg seems to be reaching the height of his skills. I certainly think he is one of the most talanted and interesting directors working today. His recent movies like Spider, eXistenZ and A History of Violence have all been quite good.

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#4 of 21 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted September 20 2007 - 03:12 AM

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Posted September 20 2007 - 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry Gale
It's been in a theater in Houston for for a week or two but I wasn't up for that trip.

Anybody seen this yet?
I'm your boat. I'd have made the trip to Philadelphia last weekend if it wasn't opening around me tomorrow. I'll probably see it on Saturday.

#6 of 21 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted September 20 2007 - 03:48 PM

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there is a scene which I will not spoil, towards the end, which I guarantee will take your breath away with its visceral immediacy. There's never been a scene like it.
You know, I don't think it's spoilable. Every review talks about it, and there's even an excerpt in the trailer, and it still kicked me in the gut.

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#7 of 21 OFFLINE   JohnRice

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Posted September 20 2007 - 08:07 PM

Still, reviewers and even trailers spoil movies all the time. It's nice to not contribute.

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#8 of 21 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted September 21 2007 - 12:25 AM

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Still, reviewers and even trailers spoil movies all the time. It's nice to not contribute.
That's why I didn't refer to it until someone else brought it up (in a post now moved to the Official Review Thread). But if you read almost any article on the film -- even the various interviews with Mortensen that have been appearing lately -- the reporters just can't help themselves.

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Posted September 21 2007 - 01:21 AM

This thread is now designated the Official Discussion Thread for "Eastern Promises". Please, post all comments, links to outside reviews, film and box office discussion items to this thread.

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#10 of 21 OFFLINE   L. Anton Dencklau

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Posted September 23 2007 - 06:01 PM

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#11 of 21 OFFLINE   Brett_M

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Posted September 24 2007 - 03:04 AM

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There's something about this movie that is vaguely unsatisfying to me, and I haven't figured it out yet. Great score, good design, great acting, good editing.

So why don't I like it more?

Is the gay aspect? The religious subtext? (very uncharacteristic of Croenenberg.) I dunno. It played out sort of like barry lyndon did in the context of the kubrick films, which means (at least for me) its a movie that I admire more than I "like".

Maybe I need to see it again.

I think I know what you're feeling. While I enjoyed the film immensely, I felt as though it could have been an epic tale, in the vein of The Godfather or even The Departed. Cronenberg and Co. restrained themselves and let it play as a deliberately paced, nice, little movie.
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Posted September 24 2007 - 04:21 PM

I really liked it. Nathan noted the subtle sense of dread which pervades the film. This is accomplished without any obvious devices that I could notice. Except perhaps.. something about the cinematography which somehow highlights the most unpleasant facial features of the characters/actors. It's not just the absense of the Hollywood gloss (after all every grainy indie out there has dispensed of that sheen) -- there is something else. Everyone seem wrinklier, and frankly uglier than they've looked in any other movie. Weird.

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#13 of 21 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted September 25 2007 - 01:05 AM

Many things contribute to the sense of dread, but I think the most direct and powerful is the simple device of having the film narrated by the deceased Tatiana reading excerpts from her diary. It continuously reminds you of the young and naive girl who was ruthlessly exploited (and ultimately killed) as part of a routine sex trafficking operation. So you're always aware that, no matter how restrained and polite Nikolai is, or how courtly and grandfatherly Semyon appears to be, these are men without the slightest compunction when it comes to their business. If business requires, they will not hesitate to do anything to anyone.
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Posted September 25 2007 - 01:58 AM

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I think I know what you're feeling. While I enjoyed the film immensely, I felt as though it could have been an epic tale, in the vein of The Godfather or even The Departed.
I think that is the kind of expectations glowing reviews have set. I am glad I read none before I went in. Literally all I knew was that Cronenberg was back with Mortensen (and Watts) in a thriller and that word was good. That's all.
It's been hard to recognize the film I saw in some of the reviews I've read since, to be honest. A bit too much emphasis on the plot and not enough on the wet, modly, mostly uncomfortable feel of the thing.

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Posted September 25 2007 - 03:53 AM

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I think that is the kind of expectations glowing reviews have set. I am glad I read none before I went in. Literally all I knew was that Cronenberg was back with Mortensen (and Watts) in a thriller and that word was good. That's all.
It's been hard to recognize the film I saw in some of the reviews I've read since, to be honest. A bit too much emphasis on the plot and not enough on the wet, modly, mostly uncomfortable feel of the thing.

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#16 of 21 OFFLINE   Perry Jonkheer

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Posted September 25 2007 - 12:15 PM

****possible spoilers****

I caught this movie over the weekend knowing nothing about it other than who's in it and who the director is.

I'm glad as well that I didn't read any reviews as I also believe they would have tainted my ability to enjoy this film.

Someone made a point that this is, "a nice little movie" when it could have maybe been epic... I agree for the most part, but doesn't it seem like there could be a 2nd installment to continue the story?? If so, I would be first in line to see it!
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#17 of 21 OFFLINE   Henry Gale

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Posted September 25 2007 - 01:08 PM

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****possible spoilers****

Perry,
No need for eight-asterick-spoilers in the discussion thread.

We're assumed to have seen the flick if we're here.

But, it was a kind thought. Posted Image
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#18 of 21 OFFLINE   Perry Jonkheer

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Posted September 26 2007 - 02:43 AM

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Perry,
No need for eight-asterick-spoilers in the discussion thread.

We're assumed to have seen the flick if we're here.

But, it was a kind thought. Posted Image

I did that because there were more than a few posters up top who had not seen the movie yet...
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Posted September 27 2007 - 05:37 AM

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****possible spoilers****

I caught this movie over the weekend knowing nothing about it other than who's in it and who the director is.

I'm glad as well that I didn't read any reviews as I also believe they would have tainted my ability to enjoy this film.

Someone made a point that this is, "a nice little movie" when it could have maybe been epic... I agree for the most part, but doesn't it seem like there could be a 2nd installment to continue the story?? If so, I would be first in line to see it!

Please understand I loved the flick. My comments were a response to those who wanted more (for whatever reason). I thought all involved showed great restraint. A sequel is in order, and I'd fight you to be first in line.
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#20 of 21 OFFLINE   Henry Gale

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Posted September 30 2007 - 01:48 PM

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I did that because there were more than a few posters up top who had not seen the movie yet...

Interesting point, and I was one of them.
My post (#1) was made before this was declared to be the ***Official WHIZ BANG Discussion Thead***.

I've just finished reading the "POLL- Do you want to return to Review/Discussion separate threads?...thread.
I guess I was still motorcycle shopping when that appeared in July, I'd never seen it before.
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