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*** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread *See Post 957, p. 32*


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#1 of 992 Michael Reuben

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Posted August 07 2007 - 07:39 PM

This is the Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread.

Want to discuss Nielsen numbers? Talk about the different bitspace/bandwidth of the HD-formats? Audio codecs that are or aren't mandatory? Discuss BD+? Tell us why one format should rule them all? Or why two formats should go on competing with each other? Do it here.

But nowhere else!

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#2 of 992 Austan

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Posted August 08 2007 - 01:39 AM

I "borrowed" this from another site:
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Nielsen numbers
Day.... Week...... YTD...... SI
01/07 63.3/36.7 63.3/36.7 41.2/58.8
01/14 68.2/31.8 65.7/34.3 43.2/56.8
01/21 67.8/32.2 66.4/33.6 45.1/54.9
01/28 68.8/31.2 67.0/33.0 46.7/53.3
02/04 69.0/31.0 67.4/32.6 48.1/51.9
02/11 69.6/30.4 67.7/32.3 49.3/50.7
02/18 65.0/35.0 67.4/32.6 50.3/49.7
02/25 68.5/31.5 67.4/32.6 51.5/48.5
03/04 65.7/34.3 67.2/32.8 52.2/47.8
03/11 68.7/31.3 67.9/32.1 52.8/47.2
03/18 81.7/18.3 69.2/30.8 54.3/45.7
03/25 n/a 70.4/29.6 55.6/44.4
04/01 n/a 69.9/30.1 56.2/43.8
04/08 62.4/37.6 69.4/30.6 56.4/43.6
04/15 61/39 69/31 57/43
04/22 52/48 68/32 57/43
04/29 71/29 68/32 58/42
05/06 60/40 68/32 57/43
05/13 62/38 68/32 57/43
05/20 58/42 67/33 57/43
05/27 69/31 67/33 58/42
06/03 61/39 67/33 59/41
06/10 66/34 67/33 59/41
06/17 64/36 67/33 59/41
06/24 70/30 67/33 59/41
07/01 65/35 67/33 60/40
07/08 66/34 67/33 60/40
07/15 61/39 67/33 60/40
07/22 74/26 67/33 60/40
07/29 66/34 67/33 60/40
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Day.... Week.. YTD... SI
07/29 66/34 67/33 60/40

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#3 of 992 MarekM

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Posted August 08 2007 - 01:53 AM

with much much bigger volume of 300 Posted Image we will see new movement in SI and YTD data probably 68:32 for YTD and 61:39 for SI

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Posted August 08 2007 - 02:29 AM

This was a link to Home Media Magazine links in locked up thread.

Couldn't figure out how to easily get the links over here. I'll put the new links in this post like before.



HMM June 17 - 23, 2007

Blu-ray has 9 of the top 10.

Who's buying Norbit? Posted Image

Planet Earth continues to sell well.

Fox BD commitment reaffimed.

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#5 of 992 Chris S

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Posted August 08 2007 - 02:39 AM

So the Blu-ray / HD DVD War...the end is near thread is finally closed. To quote one of my favorite films: "This will be a day long remembered." Posted Image
DVD & Blu-ray - It's all about the movies!

#6 of 992 Jari K

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Posted August 08 2007 - 03:06 AM

One down!

http://www.highdefdi....S_in_Sales/845

"High-def has notched up another milestone, with combined Blu-ray and HD DVD disc sales overtaking VHS during the first half of 2007."

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Posted August 08 2007 - 04:39 AM

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One down!
"High-def has notched up another milestone, with combined Blu-ray and HD DVD disc sales overtaking VHS during the first half of 2007."
Now that is a major accomplishment. HD and BD combined sales finally out sold the nearly dead VHS format.Posted Image Heck, I didn't even know anyone was releasing anything other than 1.99 titles in VHS.
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Posted August 08 2007 - 04:49 AM

I hear the Mini Cooper has now outsold the Yugo. Posted Image

#9 of 992 Jari K

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Posted August 08 2007 - 06:00 AM

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Now that is a major accomplishment. HD and BD combined sales finally out sold the nearly dead VHS format.Posted Image Heck, I didn't even know anyone was releasing anything other than 1.99 titles in VHS.

My original thread had: Posted Image

Do they still release films in VHS btw? At least in Europe, I doubt it.

#10 of 992 BrettB

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Posted August 08 2007 - 06:18 AM

usatoday

300 65/35 Blu-ray preference confirmed.

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So far, the Blu-ray Disc version of 300 is outselling the HD DVD version, 65% to 35%. According to Home Media Research, that mirrors the overall sales pattern this year (Jan-June), with Blu-ray accounting for 67% and 33% for HD DVD,.

Warner releases movies on both of the competing formats. Sony, Disney and Fox only support Blu-ray, while Universal exclusively supports HD DVD.

The Spider-Man films (Oct. 30) and Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End (Dec. 4) are coming to Blu-ray later this year. Overall, released titles on Blu-ray outnumber HD DVD roughly 2-to-1. "Blu-ray tips the scales in its favor this holiday season," says Peter Bracke, editor-in-chief, High Def Digest. "It's going to be tough for HD DVD to keep pace."


#11 of 992 MarekM

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Posted August 08 2007 - 06:53 AM

hey Posted Image BrettB, you are very fast : )I was just about to post it Posted Image

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#12 of 992 John Berggren

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Posted August 08 2007 - 07:22 AM

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Earlier this week, Warner Home Video announced that their high definition releases of '300' sold a combined total of 250,000 units during its first week of sale. At that time, it was not revealed how many of those were Blu-ray and how many were HD DVD. Today, a blog post by USA Today writer Mike Snider indicates that the sales ratio was 65-to-35 in favor of Blu-ray, indicating around 163,000 copies of '300' on Blu-ray were sold.

So nearly twice as many units that moved were Blu Ray in spite of the fact that there is an added bonus feature on the HD-DVD. This combined with reports of sell outs and under-ordering of the title at many outlets, I'd say that this is a significant win in the Blu column.
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Posted August 08 2007 - 07:36 AM

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So nearly twice as many units that moved were Blu Ray in spite of the fact that there is an added bonus feature on the HD-DVD. This combined with reports of sell outs and under-ordering of the title at many outlets, I'd say that this is a significant win in the Blu column.
John, I guess we could take the other stance to. There is no difference in the percentages of this release vrs. the overall percentages even though the HD DVD is the much 'trashed' Combo format and costs 5.00 more then the BD disk.

BTW, I will wait for the real numbers to be posted before jumping to any conclusions. From the studios perspective, the only one that really counts for this title, it is a win for dual format releases. And with over 100k HD units sold, the profit loss for the remaining exclusive studios is going to make remaining exclusive that much more difficult.
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#14 of 992 Brian Kaz

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Posted August 08 2007 - 07:41 AM

65/35 is around what most expected for its first week. I'm actually more interested in seeing where the ratio is for 300 at the end of the year.

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Posted August 08 2007 - 07:45 AM

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And with over 100k HD units sold, the profit loss for the remaining exclusive studios is going to make remaining exclusive that much more difficult.

Another reason why I'd like to see how subsequent weeks hold between the two formats. BD software tends to hold much better, enough that their exclusive studios probably still won't care about going nuetral.

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Posted August 08 2007 - 08:17 AM

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BTW, I will wait for the real numbers to be posted before jumping to any conclusions. From the studios perspective, the only one that really counts for this title, it is a win for dual format releases. And with over 100k HD units sold, the profit loss for the remaining exclusive studios is going to make remaining exclusive that much more difficult.

well there are several other exclusive titles with much bigger chance to exlipse this amazing numbers wich 300 did

the only other possible winner in Q4 will be TRANSFORMERS, that one can be overaall winner Posted Image

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Posted August 08 2007 - 08:24 AM

I'm just waiting for someone to post...
Not much news since High Def is only 2% of the market share....Posted Image

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Posted August 08 2007 - 08:31 AM

Just doing some quick Math:

Based on 65/35 split, that is 163K units for Bd and 87K unit for HD DVD

So with 3,000,000 plus BD players in the market, BD managed to sell to 5.4% of their installed base.

With 500-600K HD players in the market (this includes x-box add ons) HD managed to sell to about 14.5% of their installed base.

I think that is a pretty attractive sell through rate for the HD camp and shows a lot of customer loyalty to the HD DVD product.

Of course, Warner really only cares about units sold so maybe the comparison isn't meaningful for them but I would think Toshiba is pretty happy with that number.

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Posted August 08 2007 - 08:37 AM

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John, I guess we could take the other stance to. There is no difference in the percentages of this release vrs. the overall percentages even though the HD DVD is the much 'trashed' Combo format and costs 5.00 more then the BD disk.

How many HD DVD enthusiasts (percentage) don't like the combo format? Does that describe most "enthusiasts" here who view it as paying more for something they don't want (the DVD)? I get how a "walmart" shopper might like the idea of a combo... especially if they don't yet have an HD player. But for someone who already does have the HD player, it seems redundant (to me).
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Posted August 08 2007 - 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave>h
Just doing some quick Math:

Based on 65/35 split, that is 163K units for Bd and 87K unit for HD DVD

So with 3,000,000 plus BD players in the market, BD managed to sell to 5.4% of their installed base.

With 500-600K HD players in the market (this includes x-box add ons) HD managed to sell to about 14.5% of their installed base.

I think that is a pretty attractive sell through rate for the HD camp and shows a lot of customer loyalty to the HD DVD product.

Of course, Warner really only cares about units sold so maybe the comparison isn't meaningful for them but I would think Toshiba is pretty happy with that number.

Dave

I wonder where did you get those numbers for players...

there are around 2mil BD players (PS+standalone), and there are around 450,000 HD-DVD players around (including addon)

so check your math again..

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