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Disc rot rears its head on Blu-Ray format (The Prestige)


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#1 of 40 OFFLINE   Pete T C

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Posted June 05 2007 - 08:27 AM

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Looks like several copies of "The Prestige" on Blu-Ray are rotting with little specs on the disc, rendering the disc unplayable. Note that most of these users indicate that the discs looked perfectly fine when they first bought them.

On a related note, while any new optical format may be prone to disc rot, hopefully HD DVD will be less susceptible to it since it is based on the proven DVD manufacturing process.
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#2 of 40 OFFLINE   ppltd

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Posted June 05 2007 - 09:10 AM

I would tend to think this is more a case of a manufacturing snafu, much like I experienced with COM and The Good Shepard. The bonding on both formats, if not done properly, can cause all types of issues. Hopefully Sony will do as good of a job as Universal did on replacing the disks.
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#3 of 40 OFFLINE   PeterTHX

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Posted June 05 2007 - 09:32 AM

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hopefully HD DVD will be less susceptible to it since it is based on the proven DVD manufacturing process

I have few Universal DVDs that no longer play due to disc rot (Apollo 13, Dragonheart, Dante's Peak). HD DVD is just as susceptible to issues, scratch damage (ask anyone with Netflix)...and I haven't heard anyone boiling their BDs to play.

Both formats will experience these kinds of problems until they are produced in bigger quantities and have more time in actual production. Just as the video transfers & encodings themselves.

#4 of 40 OFFLINE   RickER

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Posted June 05 2007 - 10:09 AM

Doesnt HD DVD have a problem with the glue being to thick for it to read the other layer on Children of Men and (another title i cant remember). Just because a guy has "Fight Blu Ray" in his title i will give him the beiefit of the doubt. However...
Regular DVD still has its issues too, DVD-18s being one of them. Posted Image

#5 of 40 OFFLINE   BrettB

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Posted June 05 2007 - 10:16 AM

I'm sure Norman and Cees will be here shortly to set things right.

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#6 of 40 OFFLINE   Tim Glover

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Posted June 05 2007 - 11:12 AM

Hope they set it right because BrettB still holds the Snarky Crown, not Pete. Posted Image

#7 of 40 OFFLINE   Norman Matthews

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Posted June 05 2007 - 12:02 PM

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#8 of 40 OFFLINE   Jim_K

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Posted June 05 2007 - 12:15 PM

Posted Image While I appreciate your concern for us Blu-Ray owners no worries, no spots on mine.

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Doesnt HD DVD have a problem with the glue being to thick for it to read the other layer on Children of Men and (another title i cant remember). Just because a guy has "Fight Blu Ray" in his title i will give him the beiefit of the doubt. However...
Regular DVD still has its issues too, DVD-18s being one of them.


With HD-DVD the problems are mainly with the Combo's which uses the same glue 'em together and hope technology as the dreaded DVD-18's which is one reason why I tend to avoid them as much as possible.

So you've gone HD or BD Rick? Good to see you again outside the HTF's netherworld. Posted Image


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#9 of 40 OFFLINE   Todd H

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Posted June 05 2007 - 12:38 PM

Oh no!!!! Six people over at AVS are having problems with their Prestige BD discs!!!! Blu-ray is doomed!!!! Better sell my PS3 and Blu-ray discs before they explode!!!!!

Really, what is the point of this thread? It's obvious Pete is just trying to post any bad BD news as a way to "Fight Blu-ray!" I expect this over at AVS but not here. No gold stars for you Pete. But you did win a consolation prize...a place on my ignore list. Congrats!!!

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Posted June 05 2007 - 12:44 PM

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Oh no!!!! Six people over at AVS are having problems with their Prestige BD discs!!!! Blu-ray is doomed!!!! Better sell my PS3 and Blu-ray discs before they explode!!!!!

Really, what is the point of this thread? It's obvious Pete is just trying to post any bad BD news as a way to "Fight Blu-ray!" I expect this over at AVS but not here. No gold stars for you Pete. But you did win a consolation prize...a place on my ignore list. Congrats!!!
Todd, there are members on both sides of the fence that do the same. No reason to single out any particular member.
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Posted June 05 2007 - 01:36 PM

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Oh no!!!! Six people over at AVS are having problems with their Prestige BD discs!!!! Blu-ray is doomed!!!! Better sell my PS3 and Blu-ray discs before they explode!!!!!

Really, what is the point of this thread? It's obvious Pete is just trying to post any bad BD news as a way to "Fight Blu-ray!" I expect this over at AVS but not here. No gold stars for you Pete. But you did win a consolation prize...a place on my ignore list. Congrats!!!

So are we supposed to ignore the fact that some people are having troubles with a particular title? Should we also ignore the problems with Children of Men, etc?

Neither of these products is ready for prime-time yet, IMHO, and I am beginning to regret having jumped in as an early-adopter. I had fewer problems with the initial titles and things seem to be getting worse and worse. I certainly could not recommend either of these products to anyone who is not willing to put up with multiple replacements disks, never-ending firmware updates, freeze-ups, incomplete specs. etc. etc. etc. Whew!

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Posted June 05 2007 - 01:42 PM

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So you've gone HD or BD Rick? Good to see you again outside the HTF's netherworld. Posted Image

I went HD for 2 days. Had trouble with my player, so i took it back. Now i have a Blu Ray player. I only have 1 BD disc, that came with my Sony player, the old 5th Element disc that i guess looked like crap to begin with. I have not even watched it, I dont even like that movie! My SD discs look wonderful on the Sony BD player. They looked great on the Tosh HD player too! I would love to have kept my Tosh HD player, but my gut told me the build quality of the A2 wasnt to my taste, and it locked up when i put HD discs in it. But i may try again...someday.
I posted very little in the HD section, but i hope to change that! Posted Image
Of course i did spend $200 on regular DVDs today!

#13 of 40 OFFLINE   Todd H

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Posted June 05 2007 - 01:49 PM

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Todd, there are members on both sides of the fence that do the same. No reason to single out any particular member.

No worries. I ignore the ones on the other side as well. I'm an equal opportunity ignorer.

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Posted June 05 2007 - 01:53 PM

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No worries. I ignore the ones on the other side as well. I'm an equal opportunity ignorer.
Posted Image Nice to see such even handed button pushing.Posted Image
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#15 of 40 OFFLINE   Paul Arnette

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Posted June 05 2007 - 03:17 PM

I just finished checking all my BDs, and, thankfully, they are free of the measels. Posted Image
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Posted June 05 2007 - 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd H
Oh no!!!! Six people over at AVS are having problems with their Prestige BD discs!!!! Blu-ray is doomed!!!! Better sell my PS3 and Blu-ray discs before they explode!!!!!

Really, what is the point of this thread? It's obvious Pete is just trying to post any bad BD news as a way to "Fight Blu-ray!" I expect this over at AVS but not here. No gold stars for you Pete. But you did win a consolation prize...a place on my ignore list. Congrats!!!

While I question the motives in posting this, I see nothing overtly polarized about his post. If rot's occuring I'd like to know, I'd be less than pleased with a disc rotting in under 1 year.

Plus, IIRC, the same thing went on with DVD and it turned out to be an early manufacturing problem limited to early discs...

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Posted June 05 2007 - 08:29 PM

Although that particular photographs look nasty, I would hesitate to call a problem occurring within 2 or 3 three months after specific release of a disc (and one title only!) "rot". More: an isolated production problem.

Most probably a few bad cases, or even a bad batch.

And no need, IMO, to generalize this to all of BD already, or start comparisons with HD DVD. Or look around for a good place in the trenches. Posted Image
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Really, what is the point of this thread?
Of course we need to hear those things. We can check out our own versions and if necessary replace it, or if it looks worse, unite to get a general replacement scheme in order for the title. We always handled problems with particular releases that way on this forum.

Thanks to the originator of this thread for bringing it up!

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I just finished checking all my BDs, and, thankfully, they are free of the measels. Posted Image
Wise reaction, I did the same: with the same result. Posted Image


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Posted June 05 2007 - 11:18 PM

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I went HD for 2 days. Had trouble with my player, so i took it back. Now i have a Blu Ray player. I only have 1 BD disc, that came with my Sony player, the old 5th Element disc that i guess looked like crap to begin with. I have not even watched it, I dont even like that movie! My SD discs look wonderful on the Sony BD player. They looked great on the Tosh HD player too! I would love to have kept my Tosh HD player, but my gut told me the build quality of the A2 wasnt to my taste, and it locked up when i put HD discs in it. But i may try again...someday.
I posted very little in the HD section, but i hope to change that! Posted Image
Of course i did spend $200 on regular DVDs today!

Well Rick you should go watch some BD material so you have something to bicker about here. Posted Image I can't remember that last time I plunked down $200 on SD. I did pick up the new Fantastic Voyage SE and a couple of Godzilla movies recently Posted Image , made the mistake of watching FV after watching V For Vendetta on HD. Thought I was suffering a stroke due to blurred vision. Posted Image When I do watch SD it can't be right after watching something in HD otherwise it's a big letdown.

If you ever want to try HD-DVD again, I'd recommend the Toshiba XA2 as I've had no major problems with mine.



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Posted June 06 2007 - 12:34 AM

Cees, I have no problem with someone posting news of this nature. My problem is that, looking at his posting history, these are the only types of posts Pete ever makes. He's either posting anti-Blu-ray posts or pro-HD-DVD posts. It sounds like an agenda, almost like he is on a mission to "Fight Blu-ray!" (hint, hint).

As the recent Bill Hunt thread proved, most of our members here are above this kind of behavior. It does this forum no favors when he have people from either side of this silly format war spreading propaganda for their format of choice. It makes this place a little too much like that other "audio video science" forum. Just my humble opinion of course.

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Posted June 06 2007 - 01:47 AM

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If you ever want to try HD-DVD again, I'd recommend the Toshiba XA2 as I've had no major problems with mine.


That it is. I love my XA2, and am very much looking forward to upgrading my Sammy BD player when the third gen Panny or Piioneer is released, hopefully before years end. BTW, this is not meant as a slam on my Sammy. It has been a fine player, but it is beginning to show it's age (feature wise).
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