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#41 of 151 OFFLINE   Ron-P

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Posted July 04 2007 - 05:29 AM

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Hope it's the extended cuts, otherwise I might pass.
I would pass, no way am I buying the theatrical runs again, there incomplete. I own the theatrical's and never watch'em.
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#42 of 151 OFFLINE   Douglas Monce

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Posted July 04 2007 - 05:50 AM

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Jim,

I definitely understand that. But like you stated about the Lord of the Rings trilogy, you won't be purchasing if it's not the extended editions and neither will I. And I'm sure there are a great many others who won't. Will there be enough theatrical sales to warrant releasing them? I don't know. But I do know that right now the current purchasers of HD DVD and Bluray (for the most part) are film fans - people who will most likely be more interested in extended cuts of the films.

The only reason I own King Kong on HD right now is because I prefer the theatrical to the extended. That isn't the case with Lord of the Rings. And from what I hear and read, it seems many would agree.


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I like the extended cut of Fellowship and Two Towers better than the theatrical cut. However I like the theatrical cut of Return of the King better than the extended. I thought the extended dragged quite a bit on that one. I would prefer that they have both versions of the film in a branching form.

I'm also not a big fan of the extended cut of Terminator 2. The theatrical cut was just about perfect, but when they added the cut material I felt the film lost something in the pacing. Sometimes adding stuff doesn't make a better film.

I haven't seen the extended cut of King Kong.

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Posted July 04 2007 - 05:55 AM

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Sometimes adding stuff doesn't make a better film.
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Posted July 04 2007 - 06:09 AM

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Amen. Although I like most of the stuff added to Terminator 2. Posted Image

I liked the scenes on their own....but when added I thought it changed the pace of the over all film and not in a good way. Interestingly I thought the extended cut of Aliens is a MUCH better film from the theatrical cut, as is The Abyss.

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Posted July 04 2007 - 06:35 AM

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I'm guessing:
How much does it cost to master one "LotR" film, a million?
How many copies would NL sell, 100,000?
If NL made $10US on every copy sold, where is the profit?
I guess the question is do they need remastering? Being fairly new releases, and with all of the work done to produce the extended versions, it might be that the masters are in excellent shape for HD transfers.
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Posted July 04 2007 - 06:39 AM

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I like the extended cut of Fellowship and Two Towers better than the theatrical cut. However I like the theatrical cut of Return of the King better than the extended. I thought the extended dragged quite a bit on that one. I would prefer that they have both versions of the film in a branching form.

I'm also not a big fan of the extended cut of Terminator 2. The theatrical cut was just about perfect, but when they added the cut material I felt the film lost something in the pacing. Sometimes adding stuff doesn't make a better film.

I haven't seen the extended cut of King Kong.

Doug
I can agree about T2. As for the LotR, I thought the EE of TTT dragged but not RotK. I will say that even though TTT dragged it was still better then the theatrical.

Hopefully they'll do the branching with the HD set but I highly doubt it. I'm willing to lay money down that we see the theatrical first and then 6 months later the EE's, maximizing profits for the greedy.
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Posted July 04 2007 - 06:41 AM

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I like the extended cut of Fellowship and Two Towers better than the theatrical cut. However I like the theatrical cut of Return of the King better than the extended. I thought the extended dragged quite a bit on that one. I would prefer that they have both versions of the film in a branching form.

Doug I am with you 100% on your assessment of the LOTR films. To me the film that benefited most from an extended cut was Fellowship with Two Towers close behind. I don't really think Return needed to be any longer.

I don't disagree with you about T2 either, but from my perspective it is kind of a wash. It has been a while since I watched them, but I remember thinking "ehh." They seem about equal to me.

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Posted July 04 2007 - 07:05 AM

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I like the extended cut of Fellowship and Two Towers better than the theatrical cut. However I like the theatrical cut of Return of the King better than the extended. I thought the extended dragged quite a bit on that one. I would prefer that they have both versions of the film in a branching form.

I'm also not a big fan of the extended cut of Terminator 2. The theatrical cut was just about perfect, but when they added the cut material I felt the film lost something in the pacing. Sometimes adding stuff doesn't make a better film.

Agreed that Fellowship benefited most from the extended edit. In fact, though it was 30 minutes+ longer, it felt swifter and better paced. Although I enjoyed all 3 extended cuts better than the theatricals.

I will disagree with Terminator 2. I love the extended scenes, particularly the scene where they deal with the chip in the T1000's head. It felt like a nice breather from some of the action and added to the mythology a bit. I remember falling in love with the extended cut the first time I saw it - way back on VHS! I think my parents still have it somewhere!

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Posted July 04 2007 - 08:07 AM

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I guess the question is do they need remastering? Being fairly new releases, and with all of the work done to produce the extended versions, it might be that the masters are in excellent shape for HD transfers.
You missed this post earlier in the thread:
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Mind you, this is not an easy encode where you fire the encoder and the next day ship the title. Care is needed to get the absolute best quality. Fortunately, while I can’t say much about LOTR in public, I can tell you that a ton of care is being applied to its encoding. And the results are very nice from what I hear.

"I don't know about you, but I don't want to see how bad that will look. So to do this title justice and with a lossless track (LOTR deserves no less), this would need to be on 2 discs."

Per above, I think you will be impressed with the quality. I know the title will not get released unless it looks great. Given the fact that NL is taking its time with getting this title encoded, you don’t have to worry here. And their standards are quite high. We didn’t let you down with Matrix. I hope you trust us that we won’t mess with this symbol of home theater either.
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Posted July 04 2007 - 08:21 AM

RotK EE spoilers below!




I love the extended FotR and TTT. Rotk does need to have the extra moments between Pippin and Faramir (to set up Pippin's particular concern for him later) and even though the Houses of Healing scenes should have been expanded upon, I wouldn't miss Faramir beginning to fall for Eowyn for the world. I also like Eomer's reaction to discovering his sister on the battlefield, and Sam and Frodo's encounter with the orcs as they are crossing the plains to Mount Doom (I should remember the name of that area but I don't. I must be a fake fan-girl.) But for the most part, the rest of it I don't care for, particularly the drinking game and its effects on Gimli.

But for anyone who bought the LE of these films I am wondering if the branching is really seamlessly done? My big fear is the HD coming out with branching and the player seizing up where the extended moments are supposed to branch in. I've never had one of these dvds--is this a problem? The last thing I'd want, if I were watching Middle-earth on TV and really getting into it is to be kicked out by a player seize up due to branching (or layer change, for that matter.)

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Posted July 04 2007 - 12:10 PM

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Tim,

The geek in me says, "You Shall Not Pass!" But I could be wrong. Don't feel like popping it in to find out. The lazy guy in me is overriding the geek in me right now.

Cheers,

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Posted July 04 2007 - 01:09 PM

I say now that I'd only buy the extended editions, but God knows I'd cave as soon as these theatrical versions hit Amazon for pre-order. I'm weak.

In all seriousness, though, wasn't TotalHD one of the main catalysts for bringing NLC into the HD formats? Since Warners has delayed that until next year, maybe that means NLC will be out until then, too, unfortunately.
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Posted July 04 2007 - 05:56 PM

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RotK EE spoilers below!




I love the extended FotR and TTT. Rotk does need to have the extra moments between Pippin and Faramir (to set up Pippin's particular concern for him later) and even though the Houses of Healing scenes should have been expanded upon, I wouldn't miss Faramir beginning to fall for Eowyn for the world. I also like Eomer's reaction to discovering his sister on the battlefield, and Sam and Frodo's encounter with the orcs as they are crossing the plains to Mount Doom (I should remember the name of that area but I don't. I must be a fake fan-girl.) But for the most part, the rest of it I don't care for, particularly the drinking game and its effects on Gimli.

But for anyone who bought the LE of these films I am wondering if the branching is really seamlessly done? My big fear is the HD coming out with branching and the player seizing up where the extended moments are supposed to branch in. I've never had one of these dvds--is this a problem? The last thing I'd want, if I were watching Middle-earth on TV and really getting into it is to be kicked out by a player seize up due to branching (or layer change, for that matter.)

I have not seen the LE of the Lord of the Rings films but I will say that the branching versions of The Abyss and Terminator 2 on SD are seamless.

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Posted July 04 2007 - 11:04 PM

All the more reasons for these HD/BD releases to always include the original/theatrical cuts and the extended cuts. Everyones happy. I know it's never going to happen.

BTW I prefer the extended cuts of all the LOTR films, T2, Aliens, The Abyss, Kingdom of Heaven, etc. Not so much King Kong though.
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Posted July 05 2007 - 12:02 AM

I bought those EE/TC editions recently. They were all scratched to a certain extent, including the replacements, even though the discs were seated correctly. Very annoying. Still, they played fine on my PC (my cheap DVD players has problems with DVD-19) with no noticable delays. The complicated process makes me nervous and I feel like a few extra dollars on the price to pay for extra DVDs would be more desirable. Also, the picture/sound quality was truly outstanding.
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Posted July 05 2007 - 12:47 AM

I don't think seemless branching would work for the LOTR flicks as the music cues can be different, shots are held longer, extra lines of dialogue are peppered throughout...

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Posted July 05 2007 - 03:57 AM

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I don't think seemless branching would work for the LOTR flicks as the music cues can be different, shots are held longer, extra lines of dialogue are peppered throughout...

you maybe right. I'm interested now in renting the EE LOTR just to see how it worked out.

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Posted July 16 2007 - 06:37 PM

Well...some news hit earlier today. Posted Image No, not LOTR, not Dark City, Rush Hour? Nope.......How about HAIRSPRAY. Posted Image


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New Line told indie retailers today that Hairspray would be their first high def release on Blu-ray and HD DVD.

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Posted July 16 2007 - 07:59 PM

bizarre!!! Posted Image
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Posted July 16 2007 - 09:54 PM

Well, it'll likely be a day/date title, so there'll likely be more. I'm sure more titles will be announced in the coming weeks.
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