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#1 of 88 John*Wells

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Posted March 04 2007 - 12:05 PM

Okay so I am watching it and It's interesting so far. Hoshi sure is cute Posted Image

#2 of 88 david_hu

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Posted March 04 2007 - 10:00 PM

Under No circumstances view the final episode These Are The Voyages when you watch the entire series. You WILL regret it.

#3 of 88 Dave Scarpa

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Posted March 05 2007 - 01:50 AM

You might regret it either way since it was a complete Misfire for a series Finale, everything in S4 up to that point was great thou.
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#4 of 88 John*Wells

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Posted March 05 2007 - 02:57 AM

Thanks guys. I wasn't even sure there was a series Finale. I never watched Enterprise when it ran. In fact, I never really watched anything but TOS til I bought each series season as a completion issue

#5 of 88 Brian Himes

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Posted March 05 2007 - 06:53 AM

I was really surprised with Enterprise. I didn't watch it when it was on, either. Well, the first episode and I didn't really care for it so I stopped watching. I wasn't even going to buy it on DVD, but then Paramount announced that Star Trek: The Animated Series was coming to DVD so jsut to have the entire Star Trek library, I bought Enterprise.

The first season was a little shakey. Second season seemed to get better. By the third season (my personal favorite season) I was hooked.

Like everyone else, I thought the series finale was a total misfire.

#6 of 88 Craig Beam

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Posted March 05 2007 - 07:55 AM

Now that they're doing the "young Kirk and Spock" movie (due out Christmas 2008), I'm kinda hoping they throw in a few Enterprise nods. A Scott Bakula cameo as an old Admiral Archer would be cool.

#7 of 88 John*Wells

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Posted March 05 2007 - 10:27 AM

The Enterprise theme Song is kinda awkward though. All of the other series' had instrumentals only. I think I liked it better that way

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Posted March 05 2007 - 12:05 PM

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Now that they're doing the "young Kirk and Spock" movie (due out Christmas 2008), I'm kinda hoping they throw in a few Enterprise nods. A Scott Bakula cameo as an old Admiral Archer would be cool.
According to the biographical display seen in one of Enterprise's last episodes, writer Mike Sussman wrote a section of text which states that Archer "...died at his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701."

Whether or not this is carried over is up in the air, but it's possible; Archer was born in the year 2112, and him living just up to the time of Robert April is interesting.

Also, agree wholeheartedly that you should skip "These Are The Voyages..." at all costs. That episode can damage your cerebellum, and causes breast cancer in passing Chihuahuas.

The rest of Season 4, however, is stunning; Manny Coto bringing Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens onboard as executive story editors was a stroke of genius, and for ten or twelve years prior to that point was something I'd long stated should've taken place.

Too bad Braga and Berman had to cock it all up at the very end.

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#9 of 88 Bryan Krantz

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Posted March 05 2007 - 05:27 PM

I watched the show when it originally aired and always had a kind of "take it or leave it" attitude. Season four was a true revelation for the show, as it at last cashed in on some of the prequel goodness that comes from being part of the Star Trek universe. I have been watching the re-runs in syndication on sci-fi channel and may have under-estimated the series. I do have to agree with othe posters about the last episode (calling it a series finale is a little too grandiose.) To me, the show will always be the fourth best live action star trek series of all time.
1) TOS
2) DS9
3) TNG
4) ENTERPRISE
5) VOY

#10 of 88 Mikel_Cooperman

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Posted March 05 2007 - 05:39 PM

They never should have gone backward (just like the upcoming movie). Prequels are usually a bad idea and this show reinforces that.

#11 of 88 Barry_B_B

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Posted March 06 2007 - 02:08 AM

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The Enterprise theme Song is kinda awkward though. All of the other series' had instrumentals only. I think I liked it better that way

The song grew on me until they decided to "kick it up" Posted Image

The final episode made almost no sense at all, they would have been better off without it.

#12 of 88 Glenn Overholt

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Posted March 07 2007 - 04:22 AM

IMO, you have to watch the final episode. It serves as a brutal reminder to fans that they should have kept their mouths shut. We'll probably never know what was planned for the next 3 years.

Ok, it can serve as a reminder to studios too - to not listen to the complaints. There wil probably never be another Star Trek series because of what happened.

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#13 of 88 Nelson Au

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Posted March 07 2007 - 04:50 AM

Glenn- Are you suggesting that there was a lot of fans who wanted to see the Generations of the Star Trek series combined, ie: the visiting characters who appear in the finale?

I'm not sure I understand your meaning, or that I agree with that. I thought the whole thing was Berman and Braga's idea as a "Valentine to the fans". I do agree the finale was brutal to watch. Posted Image

#14 of 88 Glenn Overholt

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Posted March 07 2007 - 09:41 AM

It was not so much an "Enterprise" finale as it was a grand finale for ALL of the Star Trek episodes. They didn't need to put it in, but because they did, it came across to me as a message.

A 40 year run on one premise cannot be matched anywhere, (soaps don't count - not in prime time! Posted Image ) - and it looks like no one will ever attempt anything like that again. That's the sad part.

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Posted March 08 2007 - 11:28 AM

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Under No circumstances view the final episode These Are The Voyages when you watch the entire series. You WILL regret it.
The same could be said for any number of Enterprise episodes. New viewers should be hesitant aboud viewing much of season one and most of season two also.

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#16 of 88 Sam Favate

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Posted March 08 2007 - 03:32 PM

There's going to be a new book that disputes the events of the Enterprise finale:

http://trekmovie.com....-trek-history/

#17 of 88 Bryan Krantz

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Posted March 08 2007 - 05:28 PM

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There's going to be a new book that disputes the events of the Enterprise finale:

http://trekmovie.com....-trek-history/


These kind of books are well and good for the die-hard Trek fan (of which I number myself) but anything in these novels is not part of Star Trek "canon" so until it is seen, or referred to, on screen it never really happened. It is a shame though as Season 4 of Enterprise seemed on the brink of mid-series greatness much like TNG and DS9.
I think you have to give the creators a bit of a pass on the Enterprtise "finale" as it was hastily improvised due to the uncertain future of the show. TNG's finale was pretty good, but was pre-planned and scripted as the series had announced it was ending. DS9's swan-song (also produced with plenty of time to script) was a cheesy clip show that really demonstrated the tired 7th season of a Trek show that was past its prime. Voyager's finale was action packed and somewhat entertaining and was like its predecessors in the pre-determined seventh and final season. And what about TOS? Do we judge it by its last episode?

#18 of 88 Joseph Bolus

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Posted March 08 2007 - 09:06 PM

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DS9's swan-song (also produced with plenty of time to script) was a cheesy clip show that really demonstrated the tired 7th season of a Trek show that was past its prime.

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What on earth are you talking about?!

The two-hour final episode of DS9 ("What You Leave Behind") contained less than 60 seconds of "clips". The rest dealt with the end of the Dominion War, Sisko fulfilling his destiny as the Emissary, and the wrap-up of a multitude of seven year character arcs. I would put it right up there with TNG's "All Good Things ..." as one of the best final episodes to a Star Trek series ever. (And BTW, far from being "past its prime", this series could have easily utilized another 26 episodes to properly wrap everything up.)

Here's some ("spoiler free") excerpts from Jamahl Epsicokhan's review that pretty much sums up the way I feel regarding the ep:
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DS9's final episode is an emotional, eventful story that covers ground like there's no tomorrow--because there is no tomorrow. Here's an episode that must end a war, tie up numerous threads, and essentially close the book on every recurring DS9 character in existence--not an easy task. I dare say they pulled it off very well.

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So, aside from the sentimental qualities, you ask, was "What You Leave Behind" any good? Well, as I switch into review mode here, I must say the answer is a definite "yes." The thing that has been both DS9's best quality and at the same time the source for its biggest drawbacks is that there's so much ambition behind the stories that the final outcomes can't always live up to the vast layers of depth and subtlety the creators seem to promise. It's a strange two-edged sword that works both for and against the series, and one can see the phenomenon in operation here. (Of course, I've usually argued that the strengths of this policy have by far outweighed the weaknesses, and I will be arguing that case again here.)
"What You Leave Behind" is the final outcome of the huge arc we've had for the past eight weeks. But more than that, it's also the final outcome of the Dominion War we've had for the past two years. But, more than that, it's also the final payoff for character paths we've had for years before that: Sisko as the Emissary, Dukat as the major adversary, Winn as the schemer of Bajor, Odo as the rogue Changeling, Kira as the heroic freedom fighter, Garak as the exiled Cardassian, and the Founders as the paranoid aggressors of the Gamma Quadrant.

The complete review - which contains lots of spoilers - can be found here:

http://www.jammersre...leavebehind.php

The bottom line here is that you may need to re-asses your memory of the final episode of DS9!
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#19 of 88 Joseph J.D

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Posted March 09 2007 - 01:12 AM

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DS9's swan-song (also produced with plenty of time to script) was a cheesy clip show that really demonstrated the tired 7th season of a Trek show that was past its prime.

I think you need to watch that episode again. That was no clip show. What it was was a great ending to an excellent final season. DS9 Past it's prime? I don't think so. Perhaps you are thinking about 'Shades of Grey', that terrible excuse for an episode that ended TNG's second season.....now that was a clip show.

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#20 of 88 Robert Floto

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Posted March 09 2007 - 10:04 AM

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A 40 year run on one premise cannot be matched anywhere...

Except maybe England. What about Doctor Who...?

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Okay so I am watching it and It's interesting so far. Hoshi sure is cute.

Wait 'til you see her in the final season's "Mirror, Mirror"-based episode! Posted Image
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