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#41 of 219 Trevor Harveaux

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Posted January 03 2007 - 11:22 AM

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That's because Microsoft couldn't keep shipments coming. Currently, Sony has shipped/sold more than MS did in the same period of time, in other words it took MS till March to ship as many units as Sony has shipped to-date.

Huh? I think you may have Sony and MS confused.

I was under the impression MS had more 360s worldwide for sale on day one than the PS3 has even shipped since launch.

I could have swore there were around a million 360s for sale worldwide at launch, with new shipments each week. As far as I can tell the PS3 hasn't even hit a million yet even combining their weekly shipments.
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#42 of 219 John Berggren

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Posted January 03 2007 - 11:50 AM

I definitely think the price point is harming the PS3, and for this reason I expect they may have to seriously consider a price drop by summer. I myself kinda want one (for blu ray, not games) but I'll likely wait until the hardware is in rev2 stage and has a magic price drop.

By June I hope.
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#43 of 219 Jason Harbaugh

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Posted January 03 2007 - 12:05 PM

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Huh? I think you may have Sony and MS confused.

I was under the impression MS had more 360s worldwide for sale on day one than the PS3 has even shipped since launch.
They did, then it was slow from then on out.

Numbers from vgcharts.org.

Xbox360: (worldwide)
thru Jan 6th: 1,038,250
thru Feb 6th: 1,236,000

PS3: (worldwide)
last known numbers: 1,310,000

#44 of 219 John Berggren

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Posted January 03 2007 - 12:17 PM

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They did, then it was slow from then on out.

Numbers from vgcharts.org.

Xbox360: (worldwide)
thru Jan 6th: 1,038,250
thru Feb 6th: 1,236,000

PS3: (worldwide)
last known numbers: 1,310,000

But if these numbers are *SHIPPED* and not *SOLD*, how much do those 2-3 60 gig PS3s at each Target/Walmart add up?

I'm no Microsoft fanboy, I hold off on all X-box activity until there is an absolute must have game to swallow my pride w/ a company which has questionable business practices, but I'd say the launch for PS3 is significantly softer than that of either 360 (which I don't see as great in the first place) or the Wii.
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Posted January 03 2007 - 02:05 PM

I'm sure the PS3 is a great machine, but Sony just has done too many things in the past that really annoy me... copy protected cd's putting some root kit or whatever on pc's, endless add ons, and just other hardware that they seem to push... I know that they aren't forcing me to buy it, and Microsoft is an evil empire as well, but Sony just bugs me...

Bottom line, PS3 owners, I'm glad you can get a good blu ray player and gaming machine for a decent price, but personally I'll go for the 360.

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Posted January 03 2007 - 11:21 PM

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That's because Microsoft couldn't keep shipments coming. Currently, Sony has shipped/sold more than MS did in the same period of time, in other words it took MS till March to ship as many units as Sony has shipped to-date.

Actually, MS delivered more units between Launch and EOY.
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the company said it sold 1.5 million Xbox 360s between the Nov. 22 launch and the Dec. 31 end of its fiscal quarter.
Sony managed 820K worldwide with an additional week. By March, MS had shipped near 3 million xbox 360's with 5.5 million sold by end of Fiscal. Currently, MS sits on about 9.5 million sold.
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Posted January 04 2007 - 06:20 AM

Just checking the feed on PS3Finder.com, the PS3 has even been in stock at Amazon for the last 2 and a half hours.

#48 of 219 Jason Harbaugh

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Posted January 04 2007 - 07:03 AM

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Actually, MS delivered more units between Launch and EOY. Sony managed 820K worldwide with an additional week. By March, MS had shipped near 3 million xbox 360's with 5.5 million sold by end of Fiscal. Currently, MS sits on about 9.5 million sold.
That's not what independent numbers show. Microsoft says a lot of stuff.

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Posted January 04 2007 - 07:12 AM

exactly...

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Posted January 04 2007 - 08:20 AM

Both companies have a tendency to use fuzzy match. I see both companies as starting in the console business in the same fashion but MS seems to be going about things better.

Sony got into the console business by stealing ideas from Nintendo, which it had been building an add on drive for, and making improvements. In the second generation they got scared by the Dreamcast beating them to market so they started to make big claims about the powers of the emotion engine. While the claims never came true, they did enough damage to make Sega stop making consoles. Now since the PS2 did so well and the rest of the company is going under they have thrown all the eggs in the PS3 basket to save themselves. They are forcing BluRay so they can win the format war. They left out a scaler so you will want a new Sony TV to give you 1080p that only the magic of the CELL processer can supply. They took out rumble to match Nintendo by having motion capture. They were scared about coming late to market again so they showed a bunch of CG video again which is causing a lot of embarrassment now that people are seeing the actual games.

MS got into consoles after stealing ideas from Sega while working with them on the Dreamcast and improving on them. The Xbox did well but even thought it was a better system than the PS2, they came into the race too late to catch up. They learned from past mistakes and beat Sony to market with a well thought out combination of software, hardware, online play and made the system available in a stripped down model that could be upgraded easily instead of forcing things on the consumer. When E3 would roll around, they showed actual footage using the graphics from the game instead of a video of what it might look like. While the games looked inferior to the PS3 videos at E3 most of the games showed much improved graphics when released on the 360 instead of what we are seeing most of the PS3 games showing.

So to recap while both companies have dubious practices, in the console wars, MS seems to be the more honest company. MS also seems to be actually trying to provide a good product as compared to Sony which seems to be riding on it's name and some false promises in hopes of saving itself from going under.Posted Image

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Posted January 04 2007 - 09:00 AM

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Posted January 04 2007 - 09:17 AM

Well with all this gathering dust talk, I figured it was time to try and pick one up. Called all around the Denver Metro area and most places(target, compusa, ebgames/gamestop, circuit city) were out of stock. A couple Best Buys (seemed to have the most stock), 1 EBgames, and 1 Circuit City had the 60gigs, but no one had any 20gig which was what I was looking for. Turned out Amazon.com opened up purchasing for both 20gig and 60gig today so picked one up and it will be here monday. Ended being cheaper than getting local since there isn't sales tax and s/h was only $12 for 1 day shipping.

I have a short stack of BD movies but no games that interest me yet or play at 1080i, so this machine will be a movie player first.

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Posted January 04 2007 - 09:27 AM

I was just in a Des Moines best buy store and they had about 5 on the shelf.

the ps3 is priced like a piece of high end equipment. I just don't see the masses shelling out that kind of money.

Which is why you can't find a wii anywhere. It's that sub 300 price point that makes parents AND kids happy.

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Posted January 04 2007 - 10:30 AM

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That's not what independent numbers show. Microsoft says a lot of stuff.

Those are indepentant worldwide numbers, not MS's numbers.
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Posted January 04 2007 - 10:37 AM

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Those are indepentant worldwide numbers, not MS's numbers.
Got any links? Because I haven't seen anything showing those type of numbers for 'shipped' let alone 'sold' come from anyone other than MS or nexgenwars.com which is as inaccorate as any of us just throwing up guestimates.

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Posted January 04 2007 - 10:52 AM

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Got any links? Because I haven't seen anything showing those type of numbers for 'shipped' let alone 'sold' come from anyone other than MS or nexgenwars.com which is as inaccorate as any of us just throwing up guestimates.

The numbers are readily availble on the WEB from many good sources. Current numbers for just the November/December Christmas season as reported by NPD
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According to the firm's preliminary estimates, as reported by CNBC, around 2 million Xbox 360 units were sold in North America from November up until December 25.
The figure for Nintendo Wii stood at 1.8 million units - despite the fact the console only launched in North America on November 19, and the first batch of stock sold out within hours.
Stock shortages were an even bigger problem for Sony. Around 750,000 PlayStation 3 units were sold during the same period.
NPD is expected to release complete figures later this month.

By the way, these numbers very closely match the numbers posted at NextGenWars. This brings the total shipped 360's to around 9.5 - 9.7 million units.
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Posted January 04 2007 - 11:56 AM

Actually those numbers were recently said to be false by NPD who advised that they will not have a complete tally until next week.

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Posted January 04 2007 - 05:42 PM

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#ep1

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Finally, we've been working to track down total sales numbers on the new video game systems, and Videogame Charts seems to have the best numbers we can find (let us know if you happen to see any of the manufactures releasing actual/confirmed sales figures). According to them, Nintendo has sold 3.83 million Wiis worldwide since the November launch of the system. Sony, meanwhile, has sold about 1.31 million PS3s and Microsoft's Xbox 360 - which debuted last year - has reached about 8.13 million units.

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Posted January 04 2007 - 06:04 PM

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Sony got into the console business by stealing ideas from Nintendo, which it had been building an add on drive for, and making improvements.

Actually Nintendo CANCELED their disc drive (OEM sourced from Sony) leaving Sony with a large bill for R&D. Sony basically got into the business to recoup their investment and give Nintendo a black eye. Nintendo alone thought the cartridge route would be far more profitable for them, and seeing the failure of the Sega CD, they underestimated the appeal of disc based media.

Atari made the same mistake. They could have sold the NES under the Atari label in the United States and who knows? They could have still been a powerhouse to this date.

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In the second generation they got scared by the Dreamcast beating them to market so they started to make big claims about the powers of the emotion engine. While the claims never came true, they did enough damage to make Sega stop making consoles. Now since the PS2 did so well and the rest of the company is going under they have thrown all the eggs in the PS3 basket to save themselves.


Sega was already failing due to the one-two-three strikes of the 32X, SegaCD, and Saturn debacles. The PS2 didn't debut until nearly a year after the Dreamcast, which was a great little unit, but did not sell enough to keep Sega afloat as a hardware producer.

Sony might be losing money, but they are hardly "going under". Their Bravia TVs are winning awards and a large market share, as is their SXRD RPTVs.

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They left out a scaler so you will want a new Sony TV to give you 1080p that only the magic of the CELL processer can supply.

Huh? This statement makes absolutely no sense.

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They took out rumble to match Nintendo by having motion capture.

Both MS and Sony were sued over the patents for rumble tech. MS paid up, Sony decided not to. Hence no rumble.

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They were scared about coming late to market again so they showed a bunch of CG video again which is causing a lot of embarrassment now that people are seeing the actual games.

The actual games look and play very well. The 360's launch was a disaster games wise. It's library is robust now, but it took a year to get there. As far as people wanting a "stripped down" system, the Core sells poorly, and forces developers to write to the lowest common denominator. They rushed a poorly designed console to market simply to beat Sony, as all the numerous heat failures and having to have a power brick outside the machine shows. Red Ring of Death indeed. Plus the damn thing sounds like a minivac when you're playing. I have one. It's noisier than any other piece of gear I own, including this PC with 6 fans in it.

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Posted January 04 2007 - 11:36 PM

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The actual games look and play very well. The 360's launch was a disaster games wise.
Actually, the current PS3 games include some of the worst release games to date, and only one title that truely shows the possibilities of the system. The 360 release titles, while not console killer apps, were not bad.

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It's library is robust now, but it took a year to get there. As far as people wanting a "stripped down" system, the Core sells poorly, and forces developers to write to the lowest common denominator.
Say what? The core system requires no dumbing down by the developers as it runs the same graphics and processor, what dumbing down is required. This is not the PS3 that requires HD space to load game code onto just to make the load times acceptable.
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