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#1 of 12 OFFLINE   Jeff Adams

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Posted November 14 2006 - 07:20 AM

I was just looking at my Home Theater buyers guide magazine in the subwoofer section and came across this new sub being offered by av123. Look at the specs on this beast.
15 inch driver.
350 Watt amp
Plays to 18hz
Dimensions (HxWxD inches) 24x15x24
pounds 120
Real wood veneer.
And now for the truly amazing part. $599!
I thought that was a misprint because it was listed under another one of their subs that went for $1999 so I thought they were missing a 1. I thought it would be $1599, that sounded right for what I was looking at.
I called av123 and talked to them. Nope, $599 is the correct price. And the kicker is, buy anything from their x-series lineup and get $100 off the purchase of the sub. So you can have that kind of power at $499! That has to be one of the best budget subs on the market.

The guy told me that it is not going to be available till 1st or 2nd quarter though.

I also saw that you can buy two of them for $999! I for one might hold off on buying a new sub till then just to see what this thing is capable of. But from the sounds and looks of it, it looks to be one serious performer. Also knowing that av123 offers some stellar products, I am sure this new sub will be just as good.

Here is a link to the thread about it. Go to page two to see what it looks like.

http://av123forum.co....5&pagenumber=1
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#2 of 12 OFFLINE   Alon Goldberg

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Posted November 14 2006 - 08:29 AM

For $649 you could purchase an SVS 16-46 PCi, which goes as low as 16 Hz.

12" driver
320 watt RMS BASH amplifier
16 Hz extension quasi-anechoic
+/- 3 dB 16 Hz-100 Hz
46" tall, 16" in diameter

#3 of 12 OFFLINE   John Garcia

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Posted November 14 2006 - 08:45 AM

I use a 350w amp with my 15" and it is tuned to 17hz... It is a LOT bigger than that though Posted Image

Parts Express just released a new budget 15" kit for $269. Though it is only good to 25Hz, I'm sure it will have good output.
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#4 of 12 OFFLINE   Mark Seaton

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Posted November 16 2006 - 04:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Adams
I was just looking at my Home Theater buyers guide magazine in the subwoofer section and came across this new sub being offered by av123. Look at the specs on this beast.
15 inch driver.
350 Watt amp
Plays to 18hz
Dimensions (HxWxD inches) 24x15x24
pounds 120
Real wood veneer.
And now for the truly amazing part. $599!
I thought that was a misprint because it was listed under another one of their subs that went for $1999 so I thought they were missing a 1. I thought it would be $1599, that sounded right for what I was looking at.
I called av123 and talked to them. Nope, $599 is the correct price. And the kicker is, buy anything from their x-series lineup and get $100 off the purchase of the sub. So you can have that kind of power at $499! That has to be one of the best budget subs on the market.

The guy told me that it is not going to be available till 1st or 2nd quarter though.

I also saw that you can buy two of them for $999! I for one might hold off on buying a new sub till then just to see what this thing is capable of. But from the sounds and looks of it, it looks to be one serious performer. Also knowing that av123 offers some stellar products, I am sure this new sub will be just as good.

Here is a link to the thread about it. Go to page two to see what it looks like.

http://av123forum.co....5&pagenumber=1

Hi Jeff,

Let's just say I have some inside information about this product. Posted Image

I do think the 120 lbs detail might be a little generous, where that might be closer to the shipping weight. Since the information for a buyer's guide is collected months in advance of publication, I suspect there were some mixing of initial and revised product details. The dimensions of the box itself is 18.125" wide, 23.25" tall, and 22" deep. You can then add to this the 0.75" tall, chamfered footer. February is when I'm hoping that the MFW-15 should start shipping, but of course there are always variables at play.
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#5 of 12 OFFLINE   Jeff Adams

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Posted November 16 2006 - 04:54 AM

Mark,

Thanks for the updated info. I for one am very excited to see what this sub can do. Please keep us posted. The $500-$600 subwoofer class is becoming extremely competitive.
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#6 of 12 OFFLINE   steve nn

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Posted November 16 2006 - 12:34 PM

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The $500-$600 subwoofer class is becoming extremely competitive.
Knowing what it costs to build a sub, this seems quite attractive for a ready 15" 18hz tuned out of the box. Nice work Mark!

#7 of 12 OFFLINE   Mark Seaton

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Posted November 17 2006 - 07:41 AM

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Knowing what it costs to build a sub, this seems quite attractive for a ready 15" 18hz tuned out of the box. Nice work Mark!

Thanks Steve,

It is impressive what some larger scale production and quality suppliers and factories can do with the right input/direction. While the there are various past examples of parts of the various designs I'm working on for myself and AV123, I do think the combination of form, aesthetic, quantitative and subjective characteristics are unique to justify themselves, especially for the asking prices. We'll see soon enough how they are received.

As I'm guessing you can appreciate, tuning a significant size port in a box this size to 19Hz is not necessarily easy. While I very much enjoy the challenge, as any designer will tell you, the value/budget designs tend to take the most work, as there is little room for fluff. Whie the components aren't going to win any beauty contests, I'm very pleased to say that even I would be content in setting up a pair of these in most rooms, where my expectations tend to be a bit beyond what will impress most listeners. Posted Image
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#8 of 12 OFFLINE   Jeff Adams

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Posted November 17 2006 - 08:48 AM

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Knowing what it costs to build a sub, this seems quite attractive for a ready 15" 18hz tuned out of the box. Nice work Mark!

Yes it is, extremely nice work. That is why I started this thread. I have done research on about 25 different subs and have printed out all specs and info. Even though specs on this sub are yet to be finalized, it looks to be the cream of the crop out of all $600 or below subs. And I plan on buying two of them. That is if I can wait until Feb/Mar. There are two other below $600 subs out there that have really caught my attention.
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#9 of 12 OFFLINE   steve nn

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Posted November 17 2006 - 06:28 PM

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Even though specs on this sub are yet to be finalized, it looks to be the cream of the crop out of all $600 or below subs. And I plan on buying two of them. That is if I can wait until Feb/Mar. There are two other below $600 subs out there that have really caught my attention.
I have two in mind, but of course I cant be sure they're the two your thinking of? The MFW-15 reminds me of a couple past velodyne subs I used to have fit and form wise though, except I have little doubt the MFW will be the better sub, along with a more attractive tune and finish. http://www.audiorevi...06_2741crx.aspx
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As I'm guessing you can appreciate, tuning a significant size port in a box this size to 19Hz is not necessarily easy. While I very much enjoy the challenge, as any designer will tell you, the value/budget designs tend to take the most work, as there is little room for fluff.
I noticed the slot port right away and can appreciate you bringing the tune in at 19 Hz versus opting for a higher tune. Knowing how a lower tune generally lends itself to better SQ and a better behaved sub while extending lower..the MFW-15 really seems to be packing some very nice rounded decision's which I would expect to translate out in it's bass presentation.

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I do think the combination of form, aesthetic, quantitative and subjective characteristics are unique to justify themselves, especially for the asking prices. We'll see soon enough how they are received.
When it's all said and done, I cant imagine this not doing very well Mark. I know that's not what it's all about, but it really does seem to have a lot going for it in the ever popular $600 price range... my gut and understanding tell me it's a winner.Posted Image

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Posted November 18 2006 - 03:50 AM

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I have two in mind, but of course I cant be sure they're the two your thinking of? The MFW-15 reminds me of a couple past velodyne subs I used to have fit and form wise though, except I have little doubt the MFW will be the better sub, along with a more attractive tune and finish. http://www.audiorevi...06_2741crx.aspx




When it's all said and done, I cant imagine this not doing very well Mark. I know that's not what it's all about, but it really does seem to have a lot going for it in the ever popular $600 price range... my gut and understanding tell me it's a winner.Posted Image

I had the 10 inch version of that Velodyne. I really like it.

And I agree. I think that av123 has a winner on their hands.
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#11 of 12 OFFLINE   Jeff Adams

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Posted November 18 2006 - 03:56 AM

Steve,

What two subs are you looking at?

Here is one I am seriously considering.

http://www.homespeak....red Subwoofers

I would buy two of them.
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#12 of 12 OFFLINE   steve nn

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Posted November 18 2006 - 09:22 AM

I dunno Jeff? ... I notice no measurements and lacks in extension?


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