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#1 of 73 OFFLINE   ppltd

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Posted October 03 2006 - 09:50 AM

What else is new. Seems the release of the PS3 is following MS steps. Hope this problem is not an issue with the design.

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Sony shares was affected by poor performing PlayStaion 3 units at the recent Tokyo Game Show.

http://www.dvdtown.c....375d96604e5698


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Posted October 03 2006 - 10:28 AM

This isn't surprising. Neither Sony nor MS has produced a decent first-run console. Both my launch PS2 and XBox developed significant issues.

My launch 360, on the other hand, has been bulletproof (because I bought the extended warranty, naturally Posted Image )

The problem I have with the first 360s, and now it sounds like PS3s, is that these companies have GOT to realize that game consoles take worlds more abuse than any other piece of home electronics than I can think of. People are going to be playing these things in homes without A/C, in 90 degree humid weather, on the carpeting. They can't assume that they're going to receive the same airflow or climate controlled conditions as most HT components.

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Posted October 03 2006 - 10:58 AM

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The problem I have with the first 360s, and now it sounds like PS3s, is that these companies have GOT to realize that game consoles take worlds more abuse than any other piece of home electronics than I can think of. People are going to be playing these things in homes without A/C, in 90 degree humid weather, on the carpeting. They can't assume that they're going to receive the same airflow or climate controlled conditions as most HT components.

After reading the linked artical (top message) I wonder how we can make electornics (car radios) that can live one day in 160 temps in Pheonix, and one day in 40 below and work for 20 or 30 years, but a game console can't stand the heat of a show? Jezz, the people that showed up for the show must have been dropping like flys.

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Posted October 03 2006 - 02:35 PM

Stupid article headline. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the PS3 having Blu-ray on board.

Then again what would you expect from a site with a link to "HDVD.org" on its main page tabs. What's next? "XBOXs, PlayStation2s and XBOX 360s with DVD drives break down!"

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Posted October 03 2006 - 03:26 PM

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Stupid article headline. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the PS3 having Blu-ray on board.

The headline does not imply it is a BLU-RAY problem.

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Then again what would you expect from a site with a link to "HDVD.org" on its main page tabs. What's next? "XBOXs, PlayStation2s and XBOX 360s with DVD drives break down!"

Your right. Yahoo must be part of HD issue too. Just logged on to my account and was greeted with an HD-DVD ad at the top of the screen.

Fact is, Sony has been battered in the market place over the last month (near 15% drop), and the PS3 had similar problems at E3 (saw them first hand). Now Sony is not the low of the year, (31.80 - 52.29) but it has been dropping steadily since its high in April. Now I would guess the recall on the 10,000,000 (I think that is the last number posted) batteries started this latest decline of a month ago, but the drop hurts them.

There was no judgement inferred in my post, as MS has had the same problems with their early machines, and didn't get most of it's bugs fixed until well after 6 months in release. I expect the PS3 to have about the same batting average, and obviously, the market is concerned.

This of course will turn around quickly will a smooth release, but that is still a month and a half away.

BTW, here is the story from the Associated Press

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Sony Shares Fall on Playstation Concerns (From 10-3)
http://biz.yahoo.com..._sony.html?.v=3
and if you are a subscriber to Wall Street Journal, they carry the story.

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Posted October 03 2006 - 03:32 PM

The Associated Press has some gloom and doom to dish out on this issue as well:

http://apnews.excite....D8KHGQI00.html

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Posted October 03 2006 - 04:03 PM

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The Associated Press has some gloom and doom to dish out on this issue as well:

http://apnews.excite....D8KHGQI00.html

Along with about a dozen other news sources.

As a side note, they are expanding the battery recall to include portable DVD's and portable game systems.
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Posted October 03 2006 - 04:54 PM

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After reading the linked artical (top message) I wonder how we can make electornics (car radios) that can live one day in 160 temps in Pheonix, and one day in 40 below and work for 20 or 30 years, but a game console can't stand the heat of a show? Jezz, the people that showed up for the show must have been dropping like flys.

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Well, You've gotta keep in mind that the average CPU will top 100 temps in good circumstances with extremely good airflow. With PS3 we're packing that into a small box, restricting the airflow horribly, and increasing the clock speed. Bad recipe, I've been saying for awhile that PS3 was going to have serious heat issues...

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Posted October 03 2006 - 06:10 PM

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The headline does not imply it is a BLU-RAY problem.

Oh yes it does. Why mention Blu-ray at all then? Why word the headline:
"Concerns about Blu-ray equiped PS3"

when they could have worded it:
"Concerns about PS3" (and not misspelled "equipped" by the way)

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Yahoo must be part of HD issue too. Just logged on to my account and was greeted with an HD-DVD ad at the top of the screen.

It's not an ad. It's a tab, a permanent part of their webpage, along with "Home" "Announcements" "Easter Eggs", etc.

It's just more FUD, pure & simple: The writer -

"Henning Molbaek - Editor-in-Chief
My home theater system
Toshiba A1 HD-DVD player, Pioneer RDS-859 THX Amp., Sony VH-50 (HD Ready) Projector on 82" screen, Paradigm Speakers."


Don't see any Samsung BD player in that setup.

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Posted October 03 2006 - 11:01 PM

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It's just more FUD, pure & simple: The writer -

"Henning Molbaek - Editor-in-Chief
My home theater system
Toshiba A1 HD-DVD player, Pioneer RDS-859 THX Amp., Sony VH-50 (HD Ready) Projector on 82" screen, Paradigm Speakers."


Don't see any Samsung BD player in that setup.
Obviously, he must be on Toshiba's payroll.

Yep, and I will bet the Wall Street Journal, Associated Press, Canada News journalists are all Toshiba owners since their stories basically stated the same facts.

If you read the article, you would see the writer was quoting an Associated Press reporter. I have linked the AP article to my post above.

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Posted October 04 2006 - 03:52 AM

PeterTHX,

DVDTown is a very good website when it comes to news on DVDs, HD DVDs, and Blu-ray. Yes it's a little misleading when you see a tab that says HDDVD.org but did you click on the tab? They have current news articles about both formats and reviews of movies on both formats. They even have favorable reviews on some movies on Blu-ray so I wouldn't call that a biased site.

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Posted October 04 2006 - 04:23 AM

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Don't see any Samsung BD player in that setup.

A lot of pro BD people are waiting for a different player. That's not an indication of any kind of bias.

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Posted October 04 2006 - 05:11 AM

It was still not necessary to word the headline that way.

BD had absolutely nothing to do with the problem.

It's like saying: "HD DVD supporter Toshiba has recalls" to lead into the battery (*Sony* produced battery) recall story.

And it doesn't look as silly when they misspell "equipped"

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Posted October 04 2006 - 06:44 AM

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It was still not necessary to word the headline that way.


Sure it was - the heat issue, whatever, may be a problem, may not be, and the units displayed may not be production pieces but pre-production pieces with handmade parts.

However, everyone (investors) are expecting huge success with the PS3 based off of how well PS1 and PS2 did, and because the electronics group at Sony hasn't performed well the past few years (and PSP is in rapid decline). If there is (as has been reported, even by Kutaragi) a continual problem with the supply of blue-laser diodes, that could further reduce the number of machines available on day 1.

Sony has already had to cut back the number of machines coming out in Japan and the U.S., and delayed the European launch because it doesn't have enough to supply all three territories on day 1. Why? Lack of blue-laser diodes which are necessary for PS3 because it is based on Blu-Ray storage.

The headline is accurate.
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Posted October 04 2006 - 07:29 AM

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The headline is accurate.

No. The article is about the machines overheating.
Absolutely nohing to do with Blu-ray. The PS3 would still have the Cell processor and the same internals (RAM, etc) BD-ROM or DVD.

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Posted October 04 2006 - 08:49 AM

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No. The article is about the machines overheating.
Absolutely nohing to do with Blu-ray. The PS3 would still have the Cell processor and the same internals (RAM, etc) BD-ROM or DVD.
Just how does an article related to the PS3 have "absolutely nohing to do with Blu-ray"?

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Posted October 04 2006 - 09:30 AM

That specific article, fine, overheating.

It still doesn't change the fact that the PS3 is dependant on blue-lasers; that Sony has had to move the release twice; that Sony has now had to cut off one territory on day 1; that Sony has had to cut the number available to the other two territories on day 1;

The stock has been on a continual slide this past year, having a minor spike; why? Because everyone, including Sony, is betting on PS3 (and Blu-Ray to a large degree). They're betting on it to continue the significant revenue generation that the division produces for Sony as a whole, and to ensure Blu-Ray dominates over HD-DVD thereby generating Sony further revenues from the licensing of the technology.

PS3 and Blu-Ray go hand in hand. Period.
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Posted October 04 2006 - 10:44 AM

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No. The article is about the machines overheating.
Absolutely nohing to do with Blu-ray. The PS3 would still have the Cell processor and the same internals (RAM, etc) BD-ROM or DVD.

Why are you fixated on this? It has nothing to do with the article, or the discussion.

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Posted October 04 2006 - 12:12 PM

Fixated?

Am I the only one who took journalism in school?

The headline implies that the problems are because the PS3 has Blu-ray, yet the following article does NOT support the headline! It's FUD, because to the casual reader it implies that.

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Posted October 04 2006 - 12:35 PM

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Fixated?

Am I the only one who took journalism in school?

The headline implies that the problems are because the PS3 has Blu-ray, yet the following article does NOT support the headline! It's FUD, because to the casual reader it implies that.
Settle down and take a deep breath. You're reading some sort of ulterior motive into the post that's just not there. Let's attempt to be objective, OK?

The PS3 is, among other things, a Blu-ray player. The articles linked to in this thread are about the PS3 overheating at a trade show and repeatedly required a reset to restore functionality. How does this NOT affect the PS3's ability to play Blu-ray discs? How does this NOT bring the operation of the PS3 into question?

It's a piece of hardware being marketed by a Japanese CE company. It's not the Holy Grail.

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