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Toshiba 62HM116 at Costco, 1080p, good buy?


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#1 of 14 Joshua_M

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Posted August 21 2006 - 05:12 PM

I saw this at my local costco for ~$2700, seems like a really good price for a 1080p set with a stand and costco warranty compared to best buy or circuit city. What you guys think? What does this compare to on the Toshiba site? I am also looking at the following TV's at Costco:

Mitsu WD62526 for $1999
Sony KDFE60A20 for $2299
Panny 50 Plasma for $2799

Costco seems like the best deals but if there are better ones let me know. This set will be used for HD satellite, DVD's, and some xbox.

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#2 of 14 Arthur S

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Posted August 22 2006 - 02:45 AM

All I can tell you is that according to another poster who was interested in Toshiba, the bulbs don't last very long. He said that in reading up on Toshiba, bulb life could be less than 1000 hours.

#3 of 14 Phil Iturralde

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Posted August 22 2006 - 06:12 AM

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All I can tell you is that according to another poster who was interested in Toshiba, the bulbs don't last very long. He said that in reading up on Toshiba, bulb life could be less than 1000 hours.

Toshiba rates their Lamps to be 6000 hrs. to 8000 hours like other DLP Mfgs.

Toshiba did have defective Lamps issues with some 2005 models and so they extended (see Toshiba website - identified by Serial No.) Lamp warranty an additional year = 2 years.

My (Feb. 1, 2006) 56HM195 (MFG. DATE: Sept. 2005) from Amazon.com qualified under this extended warranty and rightly so since my original Lamp lasted only 570 hours. It went really dim Thursday night (4/20/06), ... I called Toshiba Customer Service Friday morning and my Lamp finally died that night!

I received my warranty Lamp next Wednesday (4/26/06).

I didn't have any HDTV down time since I had an eBay backup Lamp already, which I used for 30 hours then re-boxed after replacing it with my warranty Lamp.

So far, this warranty Lamp usage has approx. 650+ hrs. and is going still strong, .... been watching a lot of HD DVDs lately! Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image

After Video Calibration (using Digital Video Essentials DVD w/Test Screens & BLUE Filter), this set has consistently displayed all Video INPUT sources as good, as their respective video sources can be shown in a digital TV format.

High Definition TV broadcast topping the 1080p PQ scale! If the TV broadcast is top notch, it doesn't matter if it is 720p or 1080i resolution, the sharp, clear and detailed color accurate images looks glorious!!! Color saturation is just right, separating the colors brilliantly (Miami CSI) with pop-off-the-screen impact and depth, while maintaining the subtlety and super clear details that 1080p resolution can deliver.

Watching my new HD DVDs (Serenity, Sahara, Bourne Supremacy, etc.) just rounds out the 1080p HiDef banquet eye candy feast and so I can honestly say that my ...

SATISFACTION = 100% Posted Image Posted Image - since it impresses ALL my friends and family, especially HDTV broadcasts, HD DVDs and upconverted high quality 480p** to 1080i DVD > 1080p blockbuster movies (**see some sampled un-retouched digital pic's - linked below my signature - photos reflect about 80% of the actual PQ quality vs. in person)!!!

FYI: Read my 56HM195 Calibration, Subjective Review & Product Life Cycle Notes.

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#4 of 14 Joshua_M

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Posted August 22 2006 - 07:06 AM

Since this is a special model number, which model on the toshiba website would it be closest to? Do you think I should take a look at any of the other tv's I listed or does the 1080p make this one in a league of its own? Also what are the downsides of a DLP such as this?

#5 of 14 Phil Iturralde

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Posted August 22 2006 - 07:51 AM

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Since this is a special model number, which model on the toshiba website would it be closest to? Do you think I should take a look at any of the other tv's I listed or does the 1080p make this one in a league of its own? Also what are the downsides of a DLP such as this?
I'm guessing that it's a re-badged (for Costco) 62HM196, ... it's listed just below the 62HM196 in this CableLabs Cetification Document (pg. 10).

So, I'd say if it's less expensive than the model 62HM196, then it's a great deal since all the features & specifications would be identical.

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#6 of 14 Phil Iturralde

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Posted August 22 2006 - 08:01 AM

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Do you think I should take a look at any of the other tv's I listed or does the 1080p make this one in a league of its own? Also what are the downsides of a DLP such as this?

Read over this FEB. 2006 Home Theater Magazine "The Great 1080p HDTV Face Off " to get an idea how they evaluated these 1080p HDTVs. You'll see what they looked for and later, you can compare their actual HDTV Benchmarks.

Otherwise, if you can, view the HDTV's on your list.

I personally bought my 56HM195 sight unseen and based on my previously owned 50H81 CRT HD-Ready RPTV. I still have a 1995 35" Toshiba Direct View TV @ my vacation house and think their products are excellent value vs. performance.

Love my 56HM195!!! Posted Image
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#7 of 14 Arthur S

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Posted August 23 2006 - 03:54 AM

Great information Phil. I wish I had known this 4 weeks ago when another poster was agonizing about buying a Toshiba because of the bulb issue.

http://www.hometheat....d.php?t=239119

#8 of 14 Joshua_M

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Posted August 23 2006 - 01:55 PM

This tv doesn't accept a 1080p signal correct? Does it do a good job of upconverting the signal? Would I be better off just getting a tv that is not 1080p or is the processing good enough in this Toshiba to make it worth it?

Thanks,
Josh

#9 of 14 Phil Iturralde

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Posted August 24 2006 - 06:24 AM

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This tv doesn't accept a 1080p signal correct?

That's correct.

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Does it do a good job of upconverting the signal?

There is nothing to convert with any 1080i line sources (HDTVs & HD DVDs), a fixed pixel device like my Toshiba DLP must deinterlace the HDTV broadcast or HD DVD 1080i signals = 1080p.

To Quote Brian Florian @ the following Secrets of HT posts ...
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A 1080i signal is comprised of fields, each with 540lines, each displayed in 1/60 of a second. THEY DO NOT OVERLAP! Or at least, they shouldn't. ...

So we need to have the same number of lines as the source signal, be it progressive or interlaced, if we want to see the whole picture and not throw away any resolution. How else are you going to get the whole picture? Whether 1080i or 1080p, the device must be able to resolve 1080 lines. For 1080i it can scan them half at a time, but all lines need to be there.

Of course with fixed pixel (LCD, DLP, Plasma) its not possible to actually display fields one at a time so you HAVE to deinterlace.

My Toshiba displays the HiDef TV broadcasts and my HD DVDs 1080p24 film masters with jaw-dropping detail. Posted Image

The reason is because my Toshiba 56HM195 (& I'm sure the one you're considering) COMPLETELY RESOLVES the HDTV & HD-A1 1080i OUTPUT Lines and reinterleaves ALL of the 1080i lines = 1080p , ... and it really shows-off the Toshiba 1080p DLP crystal clear and detailed picture qualities! Posted Image

So, whether it's 720p or 1080i HDTV broadcast sources or HD DVDs, the better HD sources looks like you're there, looking thru a Windex Clean Window. Posted Image

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Would I be better off just getting a tv that is not 1080p or is the processing good enough in this Toshiba to make it worth it?

Thanks,
Josh

I'll let Brian Florian, same thread @ Secrets of HT posts answer your questions ...

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My question is "what are those people saying you should buy?" A 720 line fixed pixel device CANNOT display a full 1080i signal. Period. There are not enough lines. The only other option is a 1080i CRT device (and I would not recommend that at this stage).

If your budget fits the 62" 1080p DLP Toshiba @ Costco, I'd recommend going that route for the price vs. performance.

Have fun deciding,
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Posted December 27 2006 - 12:19 AM

Just an update. I have the Toshiba 72MX195 and the bulb has been going dim for about 5 days and last night went "pop". I've only had the set about 4 months and am guessing I have around 500 +/- 50 hours on the bulb. The repair guy is coming today to replace the bulb. I could replace it, but why when it is covered by warranty. I'll try to remember to ask the tech how many hours were on the failed bulb. Like Phil said though, the Toshiba DLPs are great sets. Hopefully, after replacing the original bulb, I'm good. I'll keep you updated if anything new transpires.

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Posted December 30 2006 - 11:27 PM

They replaced the bulb on my Toshibas a few days ago and everything is great now. The tech said the bulb had 549 ours on it, and it was the earliest failure he has seen. I mentioned that Toshiba was granting an extra year warrantee (two years total) on the bulb and he didn't know anything about it. I told him where to find the info. Just curious, if your bulb goes out after one year but during the two year period, are you required to replace it yourself or does the extra year include replacement labor? It's not a big deal since bulb replacement looks simple, but I'm just curious. Thanks.

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Posted September 17 2007 - 05:34 AM

I have a quick question , I just picked up a Tosh 62HM116. I have not had a problem with the lamp. Hoevevr I would like to check the hours and I think there is a little to much blue in the grey scale. I know there is a service mode to make these checks and adjustments , how do I get into it?

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Posted September 20 2007 - 02:18 AM

Just wanted to post this for anyone still interested in a Toshiba DLP. Amazon has the Toshiba 57" 1080P (57HM167) for $1299 with free shipping.

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Posted September 20 2007 - 05:14 AM

As of a couple of days ago, they also had the 65HM167 for $1599.
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