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#1 of 40 Seth=L

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Posted July 19 2006 - 10:12 AM

I have a Miller & Kriesel MX 100 sub. I can't find much on it other than some very vague data on the M&K website. Any info would be helpful

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Posted July 20 2006 - 02:25 AM

Funny thing, Everyone that has stopped to look at this thread probably has the exact same problem I do. They can't find what they are looking for. It is a cruel world isn't it?

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Posted July 22 2006 - 12:52 PM

it's Miller and Kreisel.

Like you say, there isn't anything on their website. I couldn't even find the model you mention.
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Posted July 22 2006 - 12:59 PM

Its a miller & pain in my @ss.

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#5 of 40 Jack Gilvey

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Posted July 22 2006 - 11:14 PM

http://www.mksound.com/vx100.htm

It's a sealed 8" driver and 100w amp. Any questions? Posted Image
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Posted July 23 2006 - 12:59 AM

I'd like to know what on earth the thread title has to do with this particular sub? Posted Image

#7 of 40 Alan M

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Posted July 23 2006 - 02:39 AM

The thread title is the name of M&K's drivers.

Seth, I own an old M&K mx2000(the only dipole sub M&K ever made).I recently took it to M&k for a refurb.While there,I spoke with Barry in tech support about my sub.Hes very helpful,you might try giving him a call,

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Posted July 23 2006 - 02:57 AM

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http://www.mksound.com/vx100.htm

It's a sealed 8" driver and 100w amp. Any questions? Posted Image
The VX 100 is a nice small subwoofer, but I have a MX 100 it is a push pull design with two 12" woofers. One woofer faces frontward and the other is mounted on the bottom facing into the cabinet. It takes a 4 amp fuse so that would lead me to believe it has a lot of power and from listening to it, it does. I was just looking for more detailed specs on this sub.

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Posted July 23 2006 - 03:19 AM

Not sure if this helps Seth but,

The 'discover deep bass" driver is an 8+8 ohm driver.M&K uses a red connector wire to bring each driver down to an 8 ohm load.If you look at the back of either driver ,you'll see the connector. I have an extra driver sitting in the garage from my refurb.that I'll be using for a DIY project.
I'm not sure on your model,but most M&K subs are rated down to 20 hz(a few down to 16).In room response should bring you down in the "teens".

BTW,the new M&K drivers"super fast bass"(marketing,isnt it wonderful Posted Image ),are 8 ohm loads with no connector.

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Posted July 23 2006 - 03:37 AM

The mx 100 is the second largest sub in its series yours, the mx 2000 being the largest, is still much larger mine only weighs about 90lbs. I guess that is still is pretty big, but not next to 125lbs. The M&K site has a manual in the dicontinued sector of the site. It covers the entire series or production years that they ran (about 15 subs). Needless to say the 16 page manual is quite vague since it is covering a vast range of subs.

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Posted July 23 2006 - 03:54 AM

Aye,I have the manual.Thats why I recommended talking to Barry.He has most of M&K's subs specs on his computer and can answer your questions .

BTW,during my refurb,M&K replaced both my older drivers with the new model(tis why I have one older driver to use in a DIY project) Posted Image

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Posted July 23 2006 - 03:59 AM

How much was the refurb and how much improvement was there. I also do not understand what you said before about the loads I had always assumed this sub had dual voice coils for each woofer.

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#13 of 40 Jack Gilvey

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Posted July 23 2006 - 04:01 AM

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The VX 100 is a nice small subwoofer, but I have a MX 100 it is a push pull design with two 12" woofers. One woofer faces frontward and the other is mounted on the bottom facing into the cabinet. It takes a 4 amp fuse so that would lead me to believe it has a lot of power and from listening to it, it does. I was just looking for more detailed specs on this sub.

Seth

Gotcha...my bad.

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Seth, I own an old M&K mx2000(the only dipole sub M&K ever made).

Does it operate as a dipole acoustically, or is that just based on the position of the drivers?
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Posted July 23 2006 - 04:20 AM

I can't speak for Alan of coarse and I have never heard the sub before but you would think if had a significant advantage in design over it's newer siblings then they would make another, but to date that is the only one they have made.

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Posted July 23 2006 - 04:47 AM

The only reason I ask is that "dipole" implies a specific radiation pattern, with cancellations to the sides. If the drivers are in-phase and just operating in "push-pull", it's a monopole. I guess you could also call it "bipole", but that'd also be monopole at low frequencies.
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Posted July 23 2006 - 05:40 AM

Jack,

The MX-2000 was the only,what M&K calls dipole sub they made.Rather then one driver facing forward and one down,as in other M&K subs,the 2000 has one driver facing forward (mounted on the front of the sub)and one facing forward(mounted in the rear of the sub) but producing sound rearward.

While it produces sound in equal amounts both forward and rearward(with speaker grills on the front and back),its not a true dipole.

As to what difference the new drivers made,I have no idea.I bought the sub used for a song(pun intended),and found one of the drivers not working.I then called M&K(local for me) and took it in for the refurb. Posted Image

Seth,the refurb was amazingly cheap.No,I mean really cheap.They replaced the gaskets and replaced both drivers,then ran numerous tests.

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Posted July 23 2006 - 05:50 AM

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Seth,the refurb was amazingly cheap.No,I mean really cheap.They replaced the gaskets and replaced both drivers,then ran numerous tests.
Less than $200?

#18 of 40 Jack Gilvey

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Posted July 23 2006 - 06:51 AM

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The MX-2000 was the only,what M&K calls dipole sub they made.Rather then one driver facing forward and one down,as in other M&K subs,the 2000 has one driver facing forward (mounted on the front of the sub)and one facing forward(mounted in the rear of the sub) but producing sound rearward.

While it produces sound in equal amounts both forward and rearward(with speaker grills on the front and back),its not a true dipole.

That's what I had assumed. In that case, it's either bipole or monopole, not sure why they'd call it dipole.
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Posted July 23 2006 - 08:25 AM

Seth,

If I had been willing to replace the drivers myself,it would have been less,With M&K doing the labor,it was the cost of lunch more then $200.

Jack,
One thing I'm not sure of and your posts brought this to mind.If the drivers are wired in phase or out.If,in phase then bipole would be correct.If they were wired out of phase,could it then be called a dipole? I honestly dont know,tis why I'm asking the question. Posted Image

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Posted July 23 2006 - 02:27 PM

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If they were wired out of phase,could it then be called a dipole? I honestly dont know,tis why I'm asking the question.
It certainly could, but with such a small distance between the woofers you'd start to get cancellation around 40hz and have almost no output at 20Hz. I'd bet the farm it's not dipole, dipole doesn't do deep bass efficiently.

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