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#1 of 63 OFFLINE   todd s

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Posted May 18 2006 - 03:45 AM

I have the 2-disc Patton disc from a few years ago. Just wondering if the new version of Patton and Tora Tora Tora are any different than the 2-disc SE from back then?? Thanks! ps-Just in case anyone cares. Costco has them for $12.99 each and they each include a free ticket to X-Men 3.
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#2 of 63 OFFLINE   Michael Osadciw

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Posted May 18 2006 - 04:49 AM

the originals didn't have the special features these discs have. view my review of Tora! Tora! Tora! here:

http://www.hometheat....d.php?t=234785

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#3 of 63 OFFLINE   Eric Huffstutler

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Posted May 18 2006 - 05:26 AM

With Tora, Tora, Tora...one thing that has always bothered me and must have been overlooked by Zanuck with continuity. That is when the Japanese planes fly over the island and we look at them from above, on the ground are cars and trucks from the 1960s! Someone forget to either move them or switch them with 1940s period vehicles. It is also seen in the trailer. It has always bugged me when someone overlooks historically correct sets not once but twice (movie - trailer). Eric

#4 of 63 OFFLINE   Bill Thomann

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Posted May 18 2006 - 03:47 PM

I'm looking forward to purchasing Patton along with the new Dirty Dozen 2 disc SE next week. We have no Costco locally. Does anyone know if the X3 moviecash is a Costco exclusive or if it will be in all of the releases of Patton, Tora & Longest Day (I'm presuming all 3 will carry them since they're the same studion & related releases)? I liked Tora, Tora, Tora & Longest Day but not quite enough to buy 'em.

#5 of 63 OFFLINE   Aaron Silverman

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Posted May 19 2006 - 07:34 AM

Keep in mind that next week's 2-disc Dirty Dozen is not an SE of the original film -- it's a double feature of the two made-for-TV sequels.
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#6 of 63 OFFLINE   Bill:N

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Posted May 19 2006 - 07:45 AM

Actually there's a 2 disc SE of the movie from WB and a 1 disc double feature made for TV from Sony. Make sure you get the right one (unless you want both).

#7 of 63 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted May 19 2006 - 02:50 PM

What new features does the Patton set have? I already own the original 2 disc set - is this worth a double-dip? Thanks, Joe

#8 of 63 OFFLINE   Travis Brashear

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Posted May 20 2006 - 07:58 AM

All the features from the original 2-disc release, along with: 1) A video introduction to the film by Francis Ford Coppola 2) An audio commentary track with Francis Ford Coppola 3) New documentary: "History Through the Lens: Patton - A Rebel Revisited" (approx. 1 hr, 30 mins.) 4) New documentary: "Patton's Ghost Corps" (approx. 46 mins.) 5) Two still galleries
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#9 of 63 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted May 20 2006 - 11:52 AM

I don't give a rat's ass about extras. Can anyone tell me if there's a significant improvement in the picture quality? That would be the only thing that could get me to double-dip.
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#10 of 63 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted May 20 2006 - 12:12 PM

They look a lot better to my eyes, but don't take my word for it.Posted Image




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#11 of 63 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted May 20 2006 - 12:33 PM

Well, I do give a rat's ass about extras. Posted Image A commentary track by Coppolla would certainly be enough to get me to double dip if the price is right. I'm sure someone in my family who mostly rents DVDs would be delighted to get my old copy of Patton.

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#12 of 63 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted May 20 2006 - 01:35 PM

The Tora! transfer is exactly the same as the old one. Same date for the file - heck, it's literally the same DISC as the old one. It uses the same menus and everything! I think the Patton transfer is a significant step DOWN from the old one. In a word? SOFT! Blurry, even, at times. Very disappointing. The Coppola commentary isn't very good either. Occasional useful information, but LOTS of dead air. At one point, he even makes a comment that indicates he doesn't think it makes much sense for anyone other than the director to do a commentary!
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#13 of 63 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted May 20 2006 - 01:50 PM

On the other hand, maybe not. Posted Image

Thanks for the heads-up, Colin.

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#14 of 63 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted May 20 2006 - 01:53 PM

See what I mean, visually, it's mostly about what you see with your own eyes and in your HT setup. Crawdaddy

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#15 of 63 OFFLINE   Brent Avery

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Posted May 20 2006 - 02:08 PM

Besides these two, has anyone decided on buying The Longest Day? One thing in its favor is the extra features - at least it appears to be worth purchasing as the original release really did not have anything for extras from what I remember. And as far the actual picture is concerned - is it an improvement?

#16 of 63 OFFLINE   Travis Brashear

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Posted May 20 2006 - 02:29 PM

Not to pick on Colin (a la 9 TO 5), but the review at DVDTalk gives the transfer very high marks, so the verdict is still split...
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#17 of 63 OFFLINE   Colin Jacobson

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Posted May 20 2006 - 03:33 PM

Hey, maybe I drank too much cough syrup before I watched Patton, but the thing looked awfully soft to me. I flip-flopped between it and the old DVD and thought the 1999 edition was notably sharper. It came with some more edge enhancement but at least it had some definition. The new Patton just looked drab and blurry to me...
Does this mean you really think the new Tora! looks and/or sounds different than the 2001 version? I don't see how that's possible - it really is literally the same disc!
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#18 of 63 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted May 20 2006 - 03:37 PM

Well it looks like I'll at least hold out until there's more reviews and more of a concensus. For myself while HD discs are still a long way off (assuming the format war doesn't kill them altogether), it has made me more leary of upgrading without a clear, significant picture improvement (e.g., The Towering Inferno).
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#19 of 63 OFFLINE   Aaron Silverman

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Posted May 22 2006 - 03:15 AM


Ah, thanks for clearing that up! I only saw the Sony disc -- didn't even realize that WB was re-releasing the original at the same time! Posted Image
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#20 of 63 OFFLINE   Paul McElligott

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Posted May 22 2006 - 04:02 AM

The old release was non-anamorphic, so this one is almost automatically an improvement.
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