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Just got a RF Demodulator for laserdisc player--need suggestions for movies


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#1 of 35 OFFLINE   Tony Int

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Posted March 15 2006 - 04:12 AM

I just got the Yamaha DDP-1 and am looking for suggestions of discs that have great sound using the AC-3 track. I do own hundreds of discs, but am always adding to my collection. I already have suggestions of True Lies which I do own and Star Wars Episode I, which I will hunt for. Any others?

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#2 of 35 OFFLINE   Vader

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Posted March 15 2006 - 04:27 AM

- "Volcano" (fun check-your-brain-at-the-door movie; this one will crack your foundation even w/out a subwoofer)
- "Twister" (I have not heard the DTS DVD, but IMO this beats the DD version)
- "Titanic" (again, IMO this beats the first DVD release - haven't heard the recent special edition)
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#3 of 35 OFFLINE   Grady Reid

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Posted March 15 2006 - 06:11 AM

Strange Days is a good one. The opening sequence has dialog coming from the rear speakers.

#4 of 35 OFFLINE   Tim Glover

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Posted March 15 2006 - 07:16 AM

Perhaps the greatest Dolby Digital mix remains Mission Impossible on laserdisc. This thing is dynamic. A tad bright but has one of the most detailed and rich mixes I've heard. Totally destroys the dvd version.

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Saving Private Ryan DD laserdisc is VERY powerful. Make sure household items are secure.

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#5 of 35 OFFLINE   Geoff_D

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Posted March 15 2006 - 07:24 AM

There may be a special edition DVD imminent, but I recommend Mission Impossible because the AC3 track on that is sooo loud.

Heat is another great mix, and one that sounds better than the DVD IMO, with crisper effects and some trouser-flapping bass.

If you're an Alien fan I'd pick up the THX AC3 disc of that one. It's derived from the 70mm soundtrack and sounds better than any other Alien mix I've heard (even the full-rate dts track from the DVHS edition). It features alternate dialogue too.

EDIT: Gah! Tim got there first with Mission Impossible.

#6 of 35 OFFLINE   Matt Stone

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Posted March 15 2006 - 07:48 AM

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Perhaps the greatest Dolby Digital mix remains Mission Impossible on laserdisc. This thing is dynamic. A tad bright but has one of the most detailed and rich mixes I've heard. Totally destroys the dvd version.


Amen! Probably my favorite AC3 track.
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#7 of 35 OFFLINE   Joel Fontenot

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Posted March 15 2006 - 08:37 AM

The first LD to carry an AC-3 track was Paramount's Patriot Games. I have it, but couldn't tell you how it sounds because I still don't have a demodulator myself...

I was corrected below - it was Clear & Present Danger.
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#8 of 35 OFFLINE   Andrew 'Ange Hamm' Hamm

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Posted March 15 2006 - 08:52 AM

Congratulations! AC-3 Laserdisc freaking RULES!!

I still use a Pioneer VSX-D606S receiver because of its onboard RF demodulator. And I even have a 557 as a backup in case the 606S ever dies.

I highly recommend:

Strange Days
Courage Under Fire
Amadeus
(Pioneer Special Edition)
Forrest Gump
Titanic
Saving Private Ryan
James and the Giant Peach
Goldeneye
My Fair Lady


And remember that Laserdisc owners can enjoy the actual, original versions of Star Wars episodes IV, V, and VI instead of the bastardized $pecial Editions available on DVD!
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#9 of 35 OFFLINE   Tim Glover

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Posted March 15 2006 - 08:55 AM

Actually, I think the first US laserdisc with AC-3 encoding was Clear & Present Danger...?

#10 of 35 OFFLINE   Joel Fontenot

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Posted March 15 2006 - 09:30 AM

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Clear & Present Danger

Rats! You're right.

I get those two confused.

And, I have Clear & Present Danger too. Posted Image
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Posted March 15 2006 - 09:39 AM

Do'h! I always thought "True Lies" was the first.... what were the first few titles...?
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#12 of 35 OFFLINE   Tim Glover

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Posted March 16 2006 - 04:35 AM

True Lies and Clear & Present Danger for sure...

beyond that and this is just from memory:

Star Trek-First Contact
Forrest Gump
Strange Days
Batman Forever
Outbreak

I'm sure the real laser whores on the HTF will be a better source for info Posted Image Posted Image

Top Gun was another one but had WAY overcooked bass.

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Posted March 16 2006 - 10:12 AM

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Perhaps the greatest Dolby Digital mix remains Mission Impossible on laserdisc. This thing is dynamic. A tad bright but has one of the most detailed and rich mixes I've heard. Totally destroys the dvd version.
Yup, couldn't agree more.


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If you're an Alien fan I'd pick up the THX AC3 disc of that one. It's derived from the 70mm soundtrack and sounds better than any other Alien mix I've heard (even the full-rate dts track from the DVHS edition). It features alternate dialogue too.
Couldn't disagree more. This mix is a botch job. It sounds every bit like an incomplete temp mix. Music cues are cut-off awkwardly, lines are stepped on, production sound isn't cleaned up, and at least once, an actor's line isn't even the actor's voice ("Morning, MUTHA"). A few gimmicky surround effects doesn't make for a "great 5.1 mix" IMO.


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True Lies and Clear & Present Danger for sure...
Up until yesterday True Lies would have made my list. But I just got the R2 DTS DVD of True Lies from Japan. The laser is going on eBay this weekend. All of the Jack Ryan films have great DD tracks, but the DTS DVDs sound equally as good to my ears. Oh, and don't forget, Hunt For Red October DD LD was botched in it's first pressing run. Unless the red dot is still stuck to the back of the jacket, there's no way to tell a good one from a bad one. So stick with the DVDs. They're safer, and look better too!

My favorite DD laser mix is still the Japanese laserdisc of The Phantom Menace. It also doesn't hurt that it's the original theatrical version, with a much better, more tightly edited, podrace sequence.

Honorable mentions:
* In the Mouth of Madness
* Braveheart
* The Lost World (f'ing obliterates both DVD editions)
* Supercop (Criterion Collection)
and finally...
* Star Wars Episode IV (from the SE box set). This is the 5.1 mix that should have been on the DVD. Beautiful in every way.

#14 of 35 OFFLINE   ChristopherDAC

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Posted March 16 2006 - 11:20 AM

I myself am partial to the 5.1 AC-3 soundtrack of the Wings of Honneamise Sound Renewal Edition; this is a remix from the original stems, created for the theatrical rerelease of the film in '98, and the original non-surround stereo mix is on the PCM track.
Unfortunately, since this is [after all] a fairly little-known-in-the-West bit of Japanese animation, and the two AC-3 editions are fairly late Japan-only releases, I don't imagine you're going to be listening to it in the forseeable future.


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Posted March 16 2006 - 11:51 AM

Sorry Lyle, but even Ridley Scott remarked how good the 6-track audio for Alien sounded back in the day (listen to the commentary on the original DVD). It may be a bit, er, 'choppy' Posted Image but I like it a lot, and while it's not a truly great mix it's a real curio for Alien fans. It does have some lovely deep bass though, bass that far outshines the anaemic DVD and DVHS editions. Just thought I'd throw it out there...

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Posted March 16 2006 - 04:05 PM

Independence Day. I actually bought the DVD edition hoping the improved picture quality would be a draw, but the sound was so lacking the punch I got from the Laserdisc that I sold it.

Hm. Mission Impossible. I'll have to try and find that one somewhere while the Laserdisc player still works. Posted Image

Another title. Contact. I jump every time side B starts up! Posted Image

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Posted March 17 2006 - 02:47 AM

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The first LD to carry an AC-3 track was Paramount's Patriot Games
IT's still a great mix on LD.

So far good recommendations.

Beyond what has been mentioned, I think Heat should be added. It obliterates the DVD.

#18 of 35 OFFLINE   Tim Glover

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Posted March 17 2006 - 03:49 AM

Forgot about The Phantom Menace too! Glad Lyle mentioned it. Fantastic mix and better movie edit for sure!

Have heard raves about the Heat ld. Must be something special.

Another one that came to mind was U2-Rattle & Hum. It was one of the early AC-3 lasers I think?

There are many laserdisc lovefest threads on the HTF and I won't rehash comments except to say that I remember the feeling when I would get a great LD title, thinking I had something not everyone had since Laserdisc was such a niche product. Those glamorous covers were special and this feeling of coolness if you will isn't there with DVD. I love dvd and the image is superior for sure...but so far collecting dvds hasn't been as fun as those days in the early to mid '90s going down to Suncoast Motion Picture Company and picking up my lasers. :b

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Posted March 18 2006 - 02:50 AM

Do all LD players need a RF demodulator?

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Posted March 18 2006 - 03:20 AM

Keith,

Only LD players that have the capability to output an AC-3 signal (the original name for Dolby Digital; "Audio Codec 3", I think). Since the signal is recorded on the analog track of an LD, a demodulator is needed to "translate" this to something that the digital input on most AV receivers can understand. DVD does not need this because the Dolby Digital signal is already digital, and thus no conversion is needed. Many older AV receivers had a built-in demodulator, but since DVD does not need one, this has fallen by the way side...
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