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PS3 possibly delayed until spring 07, format war not game over , but game on


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#101 of 120 OFFLINE   DaViD Boulet

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Posted March 15 2006 - 08:59 AM

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Sony has been intentionally vauge about the launch-date for the PS3 since the beginning (phrases like "aiming for spring" etc.). It's also been widely known that the PS3 would probably be delayed past the early speculations (not firm dates) of spring. This statement by Sony is, for the first time, giving a concrete time-frame. I hardly call that "smoke and mirrors".

By CONTRAST *Toshiba* has consistently promised release dates and then fumbled each and every one. They still don't even have product specifications for the 2 HD DVD player models ready for vendors despite the supposed sale date for this month (congrads to Toshiba if they really do make their deadline for release), and Warner has already had to back-pedal their original launch-date for software titles.

If *any* group has been playing the smoke-and-mirrors game, it's Toshiba.



We'll have to wait and see. Toshiba is already pricing their players far below manufactured cost. Of course, with a little more subsidizing by Microsoft, they might be able to lower them a few dollars more...

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#102 of 120 OFFLINE   DaViD Boulet

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Posted March 15 2006 - 09:50 AM

I seem to remember saying something like this earlier:


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#103 of 120 OFFLINE   Juan C

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Posted March 15 2006 - 09:17 PM

John, could you please rename the thread to "PS3 definitely delayed until Nov 06..." Thanks.

#104 of 120 OFFLINE   Marc Colella

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Posted March 15 2006 - 09:37 PM

Actually, Sony's been stating "Spring 2006" as late as last week - constantly denying any delay even though it was obvious they knew that that time frame wasn't possible. Add the fact that Sony has shown very little from their console (other than making absurd claims about it's performance), including not having any playable demo's available and only passing off pre-rendered clips as in-game graphics - all to avoid having consumers know their situation. I call that smoke and mirrors. High Definition DVD will be a tough sell regardless of format, I just don't see Blu-Ray as having a much better chance than HD-DVD.

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Posted March 15 2006 - 10:51 PM

I'm hopeful that Kutaragi's statement about the PS3 not being a poor-man's Blu-Ray player are accurate when November comes, David. This was the last stepping stone for when it came to deciding on whether or not to buy a Blu-Ray player outright or just a PS3. That statement pretty much seals the deal for me. The PS3 will be my first Blu-Ray player. I'll upgrade the player after I buy the HDTV next year. This is looking good. Isn't this fun, people?
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Posted March 16 2006 - 03:30 AM

I agree. More and more of what Robert George said on AVS a few weeks back seems to becoming true.

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Posted March 16 2006 - 03:57 AM

I don't see it. He had one line about the PS3, and it seemed to indicate it wouldn't be ready until Xmas, maybe. Well, according to official sources, it's no longer maybe. I'd say less and less about his statements are coming true, especially considering the word from the studios that HD DVD titles might be coming several weeks later than the hardware. Added to that, there will be a few titles instead of "a couple dozen", and a very limited rollout of hardware. It's not looking good for anyone.
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#108 of 120 OFFLINE   DaViD Boulet

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Posted March 16 2006 - 03:57 AM

Good points about Sony sitting on the "spring" thing until yesterday. Though it has been "known" by most groups for a while that the PS3 would be delayed...though Sony did wait until yesteday to officially announce it. My guess is they wanted to wait until they were certain about their November launch date so when they announced the "delay" they'd be able to follow it up with a concrete date for release.

At the very least, it's certainly no *more* dishonest than Toshiba which announced their HD DVD titles for March and probably knew THEN that they could never really make that date...but wanted to try to steal some HD thunder in the press and sway the minds of gullible consumers... planning all the while to "delay" at the last minute and hope that the market confusion would defuse the bait-and-switch dates.

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#109 of 120 OFFLINE   Jason Harbaugh

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Posted March 16 2006 - 05:45 AM

One thing about this whole delay announcement is that Sony surely knew that Spring was out of the question but they also knew that they had this big presentation coming up with their new proposed release dates along with more hardware info. So why spill the beans before that and end up diluting their big presentation? It just happened that websites and reporters started asking all those questions about the release and started spreading tons of rumors so Sony ultimately had to respond with what was their current official stand, Spring. Not exactly the best situation to be put in. If you looked at all the news, technology and gamer sites yesterday, they were all filled with PS3 headlines because of that presentation. Would it have been that big of a news day for Sony if they leaked out all the info before hand? Maybe? Kind of a lose lose situation I guess. At least that is how I could see it happening behind the scenes. And the good news for us North American folk, the PS3 is still right on the guestimated time.

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Posted March 16 2006 - 07:11 AM

I remember earlier this year Toshiba, Warner, Paramount, and Universal were all saying over and over again in press releases that HD DVD players and content would be definitely coming out before the end of 2005, possibly as early as the Fall. Posted Image

I still feel Sony made a financial mistake by not offering a basic model PS3 without a Blu-ray player so that they could compete head-to-head with the Xbox 360. On the other hand, as a consumer if that extra year means it will result in a superior model at perhaps a more reasonable price, then I'm all for that. I’ve waited this long for 1080p video, I think I can wait a few more months. Posted Image

In addition, seeing as the PS3 was never realistically going to make it to the States until late 2006 any way, it isn't like anyone placed an order for one and was then told it that not only isn't it going to be available, but they also don't know when it will be available... like those that preorder HD DVD titles last month.

There are also some other possible advantages of the PS3 delay for both consumers and manufacturers. With the extra time, perhaps this will allow Sony to include the 2xBD, and it will also give a window of opportunity for Sony's BDA partners to sell stand alone BD players to some anxious early adopters without having to compete with the PS3's aggressive pricing.

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Posted March 16 2006 - 07:20 AM

Jason,

excellent post. Those are my thoughts exactly.

And this line:



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For everyone out there gumbling about Sony having "misled" them with their original Spring-projection. I hope you realize that that "Spring" release was just for Japan...and that it's *always* been assumed that the US release wouldn't happen until fall.

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#112 of 120 OFFLINE   Ed St. Clair

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Posted March 16 2006 - 07:27 AM

Which backs up everyone's suggestion of why pay $1000, let alone $1500, for a BD player. How can other BD producers be pleased by this statement?
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#113 of 120 OFFLINE   Jason Harbaugh

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Posted March 16 2006 - 07:50 AM

I'm hoping that will create a price war among BD manufacturers and also a feature war. If the PS3 actually does turn out to be a full featured player and a decent one at that, then there is no excuse for the others to produce a low priced, high featured player. Competition within the group is good too.

#114 of 120 OFFLINE   Ed St. Clair

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Posted March 16 2006 - 08:39 AM

And you see that as a "good thing", OK. I asked how that statement would make other BD producers feel.
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Posted March 16 2006 - 08:51 AM

I missed this blurb in the article that Pete cited earlier. Doing a check on pre-order prices for several Blu-ray titles shows that they are selling between $17-$24. I would not call that a significant premium... One more reason to celebrate the format war. Posted Image

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Posted March 16 2006 - 08:54 AM

I'm not waving that flag! ;-)
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Posted March 16 2006 - 09:02 AM

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#118 of 120 OFFLINE   Jason Harbaugh

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Posted March 16 2006 - 09:04 AM

Ed, I agree that it is going to be a tough time getting a console this holiday season. The "a couple million will get one" comment earlier was kind of a joke, not a great one mind you. Posted Image

All in all, those who really want a PS3 this fall should be able to get one. Just gotta follow the rules of the road with any console release, preorder from a place that actually fulfills them, instead of expecting to pick one up off the shelf.

And I did misread your last statement. Other BD manufacturers surely can't be happy but at the end of the day they still are all competitors, even though in a seperate war they are on the same side. If Sony can put out a full featured player for a fraction of the price of standalones, more power to them.

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Posted March 16 2006 - 09:13 AM

Nils.

Brilliant!

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Posted March 16 2006 - 10:25 AM

Nils, you forgot the "Clone Wars" miniseries: 50 episodes of pointless bickering on internet forums. Posted Image
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