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#1 of 14 OFFLINE   Leonard B

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Posted February 12 2006 - 09:26 AM

I have a chance to sell my Kenwood 6.1 receiver and would like to buy a 7.1 receiver because I just finished my home theater and I have four surround speakers. My question is, with Blue Ray and HD DVD coming eventually, will my receiver have to have HDMI if I want to listen to the new surround formats that will come with high definition dvd's? Or, can I use coax or optical inputs the way I am now? Thanks for the input.

#2 of 14 OFFLINE   JoanPablo_T

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Posted February 12 2006 - 10:27 AM

You will be able to use the optical / dig coax, however you will get a downmixed soundtrack. So not the full Hi-Rez. If the receiver has 5.1 analog inputs and you purchase a next gen player with a built in decoder, you can run 6 channel analog to the receiver and receive the High-Rez. If you want the promised '1 cable solution' get a receiver with HDMI spec 1.3

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#3 of 14 OFFLINE   orestes

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Posted March 09 2006 - 04:56 AM

How about if you HDTV only has component inputs? Can you run a HD-DVD player with HDMI to your receiver, and out to componets? Or do I have to throw away my HDTV, and buy a new one with HDMI to get the full res-effect?

In the next few year, someone will come out with yet another XYZ connector which is better than HDMI, and we all have to switch to it if one wants to get all the features the the new HD-HD-HD-DVD player which promises to have 3xtimes the resolution of your current HDTV. Wow! Pay more money!

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#4 of 14 OFFLINE   Robert JW

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Posted March 09 2006 - 05:59 AM

HDMI will not downgrade to Component.

not only that, but the movie houses have dictated FLAGS or TOKENS ICT or something similar to say no HI Def.

meaning, down graded 540 Lines.

personally. i feel cheated.


#5 of 14 OFFLINE   orestes

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Posted March 20 2006 - 10:58 AM

HDMI sucks!

#6 of 14 OFFLINE   John Garcia

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Posted March 21 2006 - 03:12 AM

I guess you'll have to wait for Blu-Ray which says it will at least have component with 1080i capability. The bad news...the first gen players appear to be about 2x the price of the HD DVD players.
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#7 of 14 OFFLINE   orestes

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Posted March 21 2006 - 04:06 AM

So does a blu-ray player cost about $1000? If this is the case, I will wait until the next round. What about PS3? Isn't the PS3 a blu-ray player too? If so, will it also cost $1000?

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#8 of 14 OFFLINE   ChrisMatson

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Posted March 21 2006 - 04:28 AM

Yes, the PS3 will be a Blu-ray player and is estimated to cost $500 when it debuts in November 2006.

#9 of 14 OFFLINE   orestes

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Posted March 21 2006 - 04:35 AM

Thanks Chris, and that's what I thought the PS3 will cost; however, I am in doubt if the PS3 will come to America in November at all.

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#10 of 14 OFFLINE   Brian Osborne

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Posted March 21 2006 - 06:46 AM

According to everything that I've read on the subject component outs will be available on most HD-DVD and BluRay plaers, but will be only 540 lines. HDMI out will be the only HD output available. Their thinking is copy protection.
I'd be interested in a link about the 1080i component for BluRay if you have something John.
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#11 of 14 OFFLINE   John Garcia

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Posted March 21 2006 - 07:23 AM

Here is the article:

http://www.audioholi....ailability.php

In the 6th paragraph headed "BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc Player" it lists 1080i (may be specific to this player only?)
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#12 of 14 OFFLINE   orestes

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Posted March 21 2006 - 08:00 AM

So if I have just a HDTV unit with component only inputs, then am I out of luck as far as getting a true HD image thru components?

BTW, I read the article; however, I still do not understand what the highest HD is. It says that HDTV units with HDMI will get 1920x1080p output whereas a HDTV unit like mine will just get 1080i. So can someone explain in plain English or Spanish what this all means? Thanks.

OK, I finally found the answer to my own question. Here it is:

http://reviews.cnet....-6361600-1.html

Thus, if I understand it correctly 1080i ~ 720p [ or just about 720p], and thus it is a lower resolution from the 1080p. Hmm, I wonder if my HDTV supporst 1080p even though it has only components. I will have to wait until I get home to find out.

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#13 of 14 OFFLINE   John Garcia

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Posted March 21 2006 - 08:07 AM

Unfortunately, that is the way it seems. I'm in the same boat though, and I don't plan on replacing my TV in the immediate future, so I will likely hold off for at least the second generation and do the TV and HD or BR player at the same time.

1080P is the latest and greatest.
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#14 of 14 OFFLINE   Brian Osborne

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Posted March 22 2006 - 01:42 AM

Quote:
(may be specific to this player only?)

It may be that way for now, but if the developers of BluRay are going to allow HD from an analog input, there will be a flood of those players on the market VERY soon. This will be another big hit for BluRay and will really hurt HD-DVD, even if their players start out costing half as much.

Check your specs on your TV, I'd bet that it doesn't support 1080P. But 720P looks REALLY good on sets smaller than 60". Even on my projected screen at 90", 720P is REALLY nice watching HDTV.

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then am I out of luck as far as getting a true HD image thru components?

NO. 720P/1080i is HD. Your missing out on the latest and greatest, but unless you plan on replacing all of your equipment every few years, you always will be. Such is the way of technology... damn them for developing new stuff that I want to buy! damn them!
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