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Slasher Santa Display - Right or Wrong?


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#1 of 50 OFFLINE   MarkHastings

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Posted December 15 2005 - 05:35 AM

http://news.yahoo.co..../slasher_santa
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Krupnik explained that his family thought it would be a fun way to make a comment about the commercialization and secularization of Christmas
I hardly consider this "fun". I understand the reasoning behind it, but I think it is in poor taste to make this kind of protest.

If it were in a place where only adults see it, I would be a little less repulsed, but shouldn't we have some kind of moral ethics when it comes to the kids?

Let the kids (and their families) judge how commercial Christmas is, don't go trying to horrify them.

Poor taste, IMHO!

#2 of 50 OFFLINE   Scott L

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Posted December 15 2005 - 06:09 AM

they just want attention, and it's working

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Posted December 15 2005 - 07:51 AM

I think it's fine, I mean what the heck. It's his house after all, he can celebrate as he wishes.

Might be a good idea to put up a sign that explains what it is about though, so people can know what you intended instead of just speculating. Most people when told what it was intended to mean would probably be OK with it.

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Posted December 15 2005 - 08:06 AM

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...I think it is in poor taste to make this kind of protest.

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#5 of 50 OFFLINE   Garrett Lundy

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Posted December 15 2005 - 08:09 AM

So thats where the director of Silent Night Deadly Night lives!

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but shouldn't we have some kind of moral ethics when it comes to the kids?

Its nothing worse than they would have seen 2 months ago at Halloween. And I agree that the commercialization of Christmas needs far more protest than it gets, but I don't understand the significance of the severed head. I'd have maybe santa whipping a sweatshop full of elves who are assembling Xbox360's. (but thats just me).

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Walter Garofalo, a musician from Brooklyn who wandered by wearing a black bandanna covered in skulls, was awe-struck.

"I wonder if these people would let me use this as our next album cover," he said. "It's perfect!"

I don't know about an album cover, but I'd certainly buy a roll of 100 "Santa Claus Slasher" Christmas stamps from the post office. Posted Image
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Posted December 15 2005 - 08:26 AM

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It's his house after all, he can celebrate as he wishes.
Celebrating is one perfectly fine, but this isn't celebrating.

Just like nudity, in your own home that's fine, but I don't care if it is your yard, I don't want to see my neighbors naked ass outside! Posted Image

I guess my issue is with the statement he's trying to portray. He's upset that Christmas is no longer about peace and good will, so he protests it by putting up a violent display?

Why not put that disgust to some good use? Donate to a charity...set up a display that makes people feel good about themselves! I think his method of protesting negates the very thing he's trying to promote.
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Taste is the enemy of creativity
LOL - But again, he's not promoting creativity, he's promoting good will. I find it ineffective to promote good will with a display of ill will.
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Its nothing worse than they would have seen 2 months ago at Halloween.
I was waiting for this comment. Posted Image I don't think it's a fair comparison. Just because Halloween is violent, doesn't mean we should bludgeoned Cherished childrens holiday characters.

Is it ok to show the Easter Bunny being boiled in chocolate?
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And I agree that the commercialization of Christmas needs far more protest than it gets
I agree that the commercialisation is insane, but it's not my place (nor anyone elses) to make a "holier than thou" protest for all to see. Again, if you're against the commercialisation, please promote good will. Don't promote it by spewing disgust. Spewing disgust isn't good will and the guy (from the article) is not a purveyor of good will.


p.s. If you can't tell, I have a thing about protesting Posted Image

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Posted December 15 2005 - 08:35 AM

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I agree that the commercialisation is insane, but it's not my place (nor anyone elses) to make a "holier than thou" protest for all to see.
Uh... Why not?

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but shouldn't we have some kind of moral ethics when it comes to the kids?
Heh. Someone with a Simpsons sig basically saying "think of the children!" without irony.
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#8 of 50 OFFLINE   MarkHastings

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Posted December 15 2005 - 08:51 AM

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Why not?
Why? Posted Image
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Someone with a Simpsons sig basically saying "think of the children!" without irony.
LOL - I watch the Simpsons day and night, but when my ex girlfriend's cousins used to come to my place (they ranged from 4-8), I NEVER put it on.

I didn't feel it was appropriate. Just like swearing. I never swear around children.



A little common courtesy, that's all I'm askin' for Posted Image

#9 of 50 OFFLINE   Joe Szott

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Posted December 15 2005 - 10:52 AM

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Why not put that disgust to some good use? Donate to a charity...set up a display that makes people feel good about themselves! I think his method of protesting negates the very thing he's trying to promote.



He never said it had anything to do with goodwill, sounds in fact like he wanted to raise awareness and spark discussions about the secular commercialization of Xmas. And here we are across the USA and Canada posting in a debate about the commercialization of Xmas and a person's right to freedom of expression. Go ahead and post a retort, it just proves the point again. Posted Image

Plus he didn't donate to a charity because no one really gives a s^&* about that. How many threads here are devoted to anyone giving $100 to a charity? I'd bet not a single one.

He did something controversial to spark a discussion. How can we possibly argue that he didn't succeed?

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Posted December 15 2005 - 10:56 AM

but shouldn't we have some kind of moral ethics when it comes to the kids?

Personally, I'm getting tired of others trying to force everyone to make everything in life centered around what is "good for the children".
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Posted December 15 2005 - 11:12 AM

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I think a more effective protest would be to smash a dozen X-box 360's to pieces and leave the litter on the lawn.

pff, it's been done Posted Image

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#12 of 50 OFFLINE   MarkHastings

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Posted December 15 2005 - 11:45 AM

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I'm getting tired of others trying to force everyone to make everything in life centered around what is "good for the children".
Me too, but Santa is designed FOR children. I'm sick of the child safe products and such, but when it comes to things that are meant for kids, what's wrong with wanting these things to be good for them?
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He never said it had anything to do with goodwill
Not in so many words, but he did say:
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"It is a religious holiday, but they have turned it into a business. And it shouldn't be,"
It sounds like he wants people to realize that it is a religious holiday. The major religious point behind Christmas is "goodwill". So technically, that's what his point is.
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He did something controversial to spark a discussion. How can we possibly argue that he didn't succeed?
I'm not arguing that. I even encourage it. Without this conversation, people may have a different take on the story. I am (in my little way) trying to show the other side of this guys protest. You can't have a conversation if there isn't another side. I'm the other side and I think this guys protest is wrong and he doesn't have a clue about the statement he's trying to make.

Anyone can make a statement. I just have a problem when your statement does more harm than intended.

As was stated earlier, attention whores don't do a bit of good.

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Posted December 15 2005 - 01:16 PM

Eh, the guy has the right to do whatever he wants. Then again, I'd probably also encourage my kids not to trick or treat at his house, and never, ever accept a ride from him (just in case). Posted Image

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Posted December 15 2005 - 11:34 PM

I can understand the point he's trying to make about the commercialization of Christmas, but he's wrong in saying it's originally a religious holiday. I'm sure he just means that's what Christmas really means to him, yet it's a bit ironic because of the pagan origin of Christmas in many parts of the world.

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Posted December 16 2005 - 12:07 AM

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the pagan origin of Christmas in many parts of the world

The pagan RELIGIOUS origins of some Xmas practices...Posted Image

The Slasher Santa thing is offensive to me simply because it's really BAD art.
He's got the bit between his teeth... all right!

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Posted December 16 2005 - 12:55 AM

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The pagan RELIGIOUS origins of some Xmas practices


Correct, I should've pointed that out myself. But do you believe this guy who has a beef with Christmas being commercialized wouldn't have a problem with a Voodoo themed Christmas with Santa raising the dead? Posted Image

Perhaps not; based on the display, that's what he'd like Christmas to be about...

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Posted December 16 2005 - 01:12 AM

I just had a friend who was going through the whole "What's the meaning of Christmas? The commercialization sucks!" thing.

I basically told her that the commercialization of Christmas is OK! Gifts are meant to invoke joy and laughter so that you remember Christmas as a "special" time of the year.

Family, friends, the lights, the colors, the smells, the gifts, the food!...It's all meant to excite the senses and create a sort of 'hyper reality' - and that's OK!!!!

The stores may commercialize Christmas, but they're in it to sell things, and that's ok too. It's only bad when you put WAY too much emphasis on the gifts.

These people, who make protests of the commerciaization, really burn my chaps because they dont' seem to understand the real meaning behind it all.

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Posted December 16 2005 - 02:06 AM

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I basically told her that the commercialization of Christmas is OK
We are a capitalist nation, after all.Posted Image

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These people, who make protests of the commerciaization, really burn my chaps because they dont' seem to understand the real meaning behind it all.
Perhaps some of those people want everyone to focus on the birth of JC as the "real" meaning of Xmas. Is that legit?

I'm not sure what the Slasher Santa people want, though.
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Posted December 16 2005 - 02:40 AM

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Is that legit?
Bashing the Santa end of Christmas (to promote JC birthday) isn't right, IMO.

If you think Christmas is too commercialized....fine, but if I chose to find no fault in it, don't go trying to tell me I'm a bad person by choosing to celebrate it that way.

Basically that guy is saying that anyone who buys into the hype of Christmas, is slaughtering childrens innocence. Can you blame me for being offended at such a ludicrous statement? Who's he to tell me that I'm a bad person for doing such a thing?

This thread reminds me a lot of Buzz's thread about the anti-Halloween neighbors (with whom I venomously disagreed with as well).

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Posted December 16 2005 - 02:50 AM

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Basically that guy is saying that anyone who buys into the hype of Christmas, is slaughtering children's innocence.
Well, if that's what he's saying, then there're so many unfounded assumptions in the Slasher Santa's position that any point he might have made is utterly lost.

Judging a book by its cover, though, the guy looks and sounds like nothing more than a nudnik crank to me. Poor neighbors!

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Bashing the Santa
Why does that sound like a double entendre?
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