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HTF REVIEW: Office Space - Special Edition With Flair!



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#1 of 35 OFFLINE   Michael Osadciw

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Posted November 02 2005 - 07:31 AM


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#2 of 35 OFFLINE   Mark Lucas

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Posted November 02 2005 - 09:17 AM

Seems like a disappointing release with no commentary or shorts, and thick EE? Yuck. I'll still pick it up though. Why is the trailer in a 2.35:1 ratio though? Weird. How is a dvd only 4% of what is captured on film? 35mm film?

#3 of 35 OFFLINE   DaViD Boulet

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Posted November 02 2005 - 09:22 AM

I saw this movie for the first time last night on DVD and LOVED it. What an entertaining, and intelligent, comedy. Well done. Great review. Interestingly, I didn't notice any distracting edge enhancement on my 106 screen (oppo DVD player with sharpness set to 0, BenQ 8700+ DLP projector with no sharpness applied). What's your projector set up like? I'm curious why our impressions were different in this regard...though in sync on all other points. I concur that the image presented a very "film like" character on the big screen.
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#4 of 35 OFFLINE   Jason_V

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Posted November 02 2005 - 09:27 AM

I so wanted to pick this up yesterday, but finances being what they are (going to remedied in the next two weeks...) this is going to wait until at least Thanksgiving. Disappointing extras, though, especially for a movie that runs on Bravo/Comedy Central 18 times a week.

#5 of 35 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted November 02 2005 - 09:54 AM

(in my best Gary Cole voice)
Uhm.....yeeeaaaah....

Well, I heard a lot about Office Space during
the past few years that HTF members have been doggin'
Fox to put out a Special Edition.

...sounds like the studio finally gave in! Posted Image

True story...they even sent me a red Swingline
stapler!

I had never seen this film either until now. It
was actually pretty damn good. I must say that I
was very well entertained during its nearly 90 minute
length.

Go see it!

 

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Posted November 02 2005 - 09:57 AM

I was wondering about that too. Remember reading in WSR many years ago that film has 'about 2K lines of resolution'. I imagine that's an estimate because film is an analog media and don't know if they were referring to horizontal or vertical resolution. Even so, I'd think that a good DVD captures about 30% of the information in film media.

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Posted November 02 2005 - 09:57 AM

That'ud'be'GREEAAATTTT...
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#8 of 35 OFFLINE   Malcolm R

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Posted November 02 2005 - 10:16 AM

Very disappointing, this so-called "Special Edition." I think I'll just stick with the disc I have.
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Posted November 02 2005 - 10:21 AM

I have a feeling studios are going to start doing this a bit. Hold up some extras for the HD version (I bet the eventual HD version of Titanic has the fourth disc avaliable overseas). Like I always say - Support the economy! SPEND!
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Posted November 02 2005 - 11:01 AM

Hi Michael, how ya doing, great review. I'm going to need you to come in and work on Saturday.

I ordered the gift set. It should be here Friday. And the black swingline stapler never worked, so I got a red swingline stapler but he tried to take it away from me and I'm going to set the building on fire.

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#11 of 35 OFFLINE   Michael Osadciw

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Posted November 02 2005 - 11:24 AM

Thanks for the comments guys!

DAVID: I run a Monster M1000 HDMI cable from my Denon DVD-3910 @ 720p into a PT-AE700. The PT-AE700 creates a hair of edge outlining when connecting HDMI compared to the PT-AE500 using DVI (I know that because I used to own it). I know this because I tested for the lowest Sharpness setting using a Sencore VP401 generator that I use for my ISF calibrations. So now that I'm familiar with the projector's "haloing", I put on the Sharpness pattern on any of the calibration DVDs to see what - if any - edge haloing the Denon DVD-3910 is outputting (a hair, but virtually nothing).

Now that I'm familiar with what these artefacts look like with my equipment, when watching DVDs I know what "haloing" is caused by my equipment and what is actually on the DVD. Too often I believe people cite edge enhancement on a disc when in fact it's their equipment creating these undesireable effects.

In the case of Office Space, a white line (enhanced edge) down the side of a person is not my equipment at fault. It's definitely something on the DVD that happened somewhere in the chain from film to disc.

Mark & Frank: I'm mistaken: he actually said 8%. It came from someone (I can't remember his name) that I met at THX last year during HTF's Hollywood Meet and I think we were at DeLux when we were viewing how films were colour timed. Anyways, he said that by the time 35mm film is compressed down to RGB for high-def and then put through more compression and resolution reduction for DVD - the result is only about 4% of the what's actually contained on the film. Remember, that also includes information that we CANNOT see and is discarded when compressing to video formats.

4% apparently is what we hear of the original 5.1 audio master when we listen to Dolby Digital lossy audio. In my head this seems about right - so correct me if I'm wrong. If you think about it, at 384kbps, five full range channels and an LFE are delivered. Uncompressed PCM at 16/44 is about 1.5MBPS. Five channels uncompressed at 16/44 I'm assuming would be 7.5MBPS, plus whatever LFE would be. Factor in resolution of the source material of 20/48 or even 24/48 and that would significantly increase the data rate needed for uncompressed audio. Who knows? 20MBPS? Suddenly 384kbps for 6 channels seems pretty small. Given that it is lossy audio and tonnes of stuff is discarded, it's no wonder that achieving 24 bit resolution is difficult this way. I'm no audio codec pro nor do I claim to be, but with this much compression I believe we must be missing a lot somewhere.

My reference for that 4% is from Richard Hardesty at The Audio Perfectionist Journal.

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Posted November 02 2005 - 11:50 AM

I just got the SE...it was cheap and needed as part of my non-anamorphic disc upgrade program. Am a bit disappointed about how few extras there are...this is one of those times where I really wanted a commentary, but I knew there wasn't one. I am shocked at how many HTF luminaries had not previously seen this movie!! Those Swinglines are good staplers, we don't get *them* anymore where I work.

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Posted November 02 2005 - 11:58 AM

Film has way more info then that. It's said however that on newer films, they have to be scanned at 4K to get all of the immediate info, like say for a digtal intermediate. Wow...my DVD buying list is backlogged...the Hitchcock set, the Batman set, Office Space...

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Posted November 02 2005 - 12:48 PM

Dolby Digital on DVD is 448kbps. Compression also depends on efficiency of the codec, say like AAC is over MP3. LD and some early DVDs (notably by Warner) were 384kbps. DTS is typically 754kbps.

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Posted November 02 2005 - 02:41 PM

DD on DVD can use either the 384 or 448 datarate. I thought that WB still issues exclusively 384-rate 5.1 tracks. I wasn't aware that most studios were doing 448 as a rule...I thought that was more the exception. Does anyone have a good estimate for the actual percentage of DVDs using each of these data rates for 5.1 encoding? BTW, wasn't AC-3 on laserdisc actually a tad less...I thought that was 348 kbps (whatever the actual number, I remember it being slightly less than the 5.1 384 rate on DVD). Funny because the AC-3 on LD typically sounds so much better than the 5.1 DD tracks on DVD. Whether it's something like "jitter" or just bad mastering...it's so frustrating that DVD typically sounds worse than laserdisc...even when comparing Dolby digital to dolby digital! BTW, I remember the ratio of "10 to 1 data reduction" being touted regarding comparing the PCM original and the DD compressed version. Simply comparing bit-rate and the number of channels to the comparable LPCM signal doesn't work...because not all of the compression applied is "linear"...some of the compression algorithms are lossless "packing" in addition to psychoacoutic lossy processing (ie, after lossy compression takes place, the remaining signal can be additionally "packed" for storage efficiency). Before I sign off let me mention that the DD on D-VHS which is almost double the rate of DVD sounds MUCH better...and to my ears even sounds better than 754 DTS...at least the soundtracks I've been able to compare.
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#16 of 35 OFFLINE   Michael Osadciw

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Posted November 02 2005 - 03:54 PM

David You are correct that DD on laserdisc was lower. I believe it was 348kbps. I remember at the time there was concern with noise problems because being either on the left or right analogue track posed a problem in that regard...that's history now. I know I can't compare data reduction as being linear. But that's a heck of a lot of compression. Peter Some DVDs are still encoded with 384kbps Dolby Digital. Mike

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#17 of 35 OFFLINE   Sean Patrick

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Posted November 02 2005 - 08:24 PM

i also watched this on a projector and noticed no apparent EE....and EE stands out BIGTIME on my setup whenever it's there. i thought it was a good transfer, nothing special, but MILES ahead of the crap Universal just dished out with BIG LEBOWSKI. i still can't believe many of the dvd reviews that say it looks good. it's a soft, filtered mess.

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Posted November 02 2005 - 10:59 PM

Great review and a very funny flick. It's a good one to watch in a small group. Lots of subtle humor. Beware when ordering the Gift Set! I pre-ordered mine from Best Buy.com and it came in a huge padded envelope. I opened it and to my dismay the box was crushed. Totally inane shipping method. I returned it for the disc-only version.
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Posted November 03 2005 - 01:21 AM



Why didn't you just exchange it for a gift set in the store?

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Posted November 03 2005 - 05:45 AM

Damn!

Been thinking about this film all day.

Have been asking many co-workers
if they have seen this flick, and
surprisingly -- they have. All good
comments, too.

I guess this film had more of an impact
on me than I expected. I really liked
it, and I think I'm going to watch it a
second time.

Coincidently, I have been watching my DVD
set of American Gothic this entire
week so it was sort of neat to see Gary Cole
in a totally different role (he was also
terrific in The Brady Bunch films).

Yeah guys, all this hootin' and hollerin'
you did to Fox was justified. It reminds
me of the campaign we took to Paramount to
get Better off Dead released. These
are really underated films that are extremely
funny and deserve proper recognition.

Sorry to hear you guys are disappointed in
the extras. I thought they were kind of bare
myself -- but it was probably the best the
studio could put together.

 

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