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HTF REVIEW: The Wizard Of Oz - Three-Disc Collector's Edition (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED).



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#1 of 401 OFFLINE   Herb Kane

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Posted October 18 2005 - 05:53 PM


My Top 25 Noirs:

25. 711 Ocean Drive (1950), 24. Odds Against Tomorrow (1959), 23. Desperate (1947), 22. Pushover (1954), 21. The Blue Dahlia (1946), 20. The File on Thelma Jordon (1949), 19. He Ran All the Way (1951), 18. The Asphalt Jungle (1950), 17. The Killing (1956), 16. I Walk Alone (1948),...

#2 of 401 OFFLINE   Christian L.

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Posted October 18 2005 - 06:25 PM

Based solely on those screencaps, the picture quite clearly resembles the qualities of the new Ben-Hur disc.

#3 of 401 OFFLINE   Roger Rollins

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Posted October 18 2005 - 06:30 PM



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#4 of 401 OFFLINE   Christian L.

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Posted October 18 2005 - 06:34 PM

Roger Rollins: I´m referring to the warmer colors (yellow/orange tint), sharpness and picture details.

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Posted October 18 2005 - 06:40 PM

I misunderstood your inference. Please accept my apologies, Christian.



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Posted October 18 2005 - 06:47 PM


Anytime. No apologies needed. Posted Image

#7 of 401 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted October 18 2005 - 09:34 PM

Herb, Outstanding review! Thank you so much for the screen caps. I have to tell you, it does become very difficult at times to decipher which of the two transfers is the better one, though it absolutely looks like this new version has the edge. The picture looks more vibrant with warmer colors. I would expect this is going to be the same transfer the studio will use for their HD/Blu-Ray release. It's too bad we'll be purchasing this DVD again in a few short years -- but it will be a purchase well worth its cost. Thanks for the time you put into this review, Herb.

 

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#8 of 401 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted October 18 2005 - 09:45 PM

Herb, Great review as always, I can't wait until I get my hands on this wonderful dvd boxset. Crawdaddy

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#9 of 401 OFFLINE   Gordon McMurphy

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Posted October 18 2005 - 10:33 PM

The 4th screencap: Is her dress meant to be blue - as it is in the old transfer - or lilac, as it is in the new Ultra-res transfer? her dress has always been blue in my eyes. Speaking purely from a subjective, aesthetic perspective, I prefer the colour hues in the older transfer. The green of the Witch's face is an appropriately 'harder' green in the old transfer and has a stronger impact on me, but the new transfer yields a lighter, 'friendlier' green. This new transfer is stunning, though.

#10 of 401 OFFLINE   Eric Peterson

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Posted October 19 2005 - 12:04 AM

Great review, and I'll be picking this up next Tuesday. I'm just wondering whether to hold on to my previous DVD or not. It appears that the commentary track is a new one. This is great, but I wish they had included Fricke's commentary from the LD boxset, since it's the best commentary track that I've ever heard. Is the full audio vault from the previous release included? According to your review, it's only 4 radio pieces, but there were dozens of audio outtakes and test recordings on the previous disc. I hope that I don't have to hold on to my old disc, and was really hoping that this would be included with a better interface than the previous disc.

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Posted October 19 2005 - 12:27 AM

6 days and counting...

What I hate about glowing reviews is the wait before the film is released Posted Image.

Thanks for the excellent review. I'm definitely getting this on Tuesday morning.

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:08 AM

As Mr. Harris previously stated, the new transfer strongly resembles the previous one. It's also slightly warmer. That said, to my eyes, it's still far inferior to both the first DVD, and to the Ultimate Oz laserdiscs, which were warmer and much more saturated. They were also less bright. (The newer ones strike me as way too bright.) Clearly, different, inferior source material was used for this transfer and the previous one. I urge anyone who has this older transfer to compare it to either of the more recent ones. A simple A-B comparison is sufficient to reveal the superiority of these older discs.

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:10 AM

Herb, Thanks for the review. That's a lot of material to cover. Clearly the new DVD shows more cropping, easiest seen where the apple is now missing in the Tin Man screen captures. As I see it the older DVD seems more pinkish blue and the new DVD more orangish yellow (in relation to each other). It will be interesting to compare the colors in the new DVD to matte paintings in the book The Invisibile Art: The Lengends of Movie Matte Painting (and a wonderful book at that) by Mark Cotta Vaz & Craig Barron. While it is true that how things looked native may not have translated into how they were filmed (or how they were printed in a book for that matter) it may be another interesting point of comparison.

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:15 AM

Thanks for the great review, Herb! This is my favourite film along with Gone With the Wind and Cleopatra. Aren't I lucky that all my favourites have been released so perfectly? Andy

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:17 AM

The ultra-resolution process uses the original 3-strip camera negatives which are scanned and digitally combined. How can that be inferior source material? I'm sure this new DVD is as perfect as Oz can look in NTSC. As the review states, the reason the difference is not eye-popping between this and the last DVD is that the last DVD was itself quite a stunning transfer.

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:17 AM

I know everyone will throw tomatoes at me but I wish they would have included the 16x9 version from the recent theatrical release as a bonus for those of use with HiDef TVs.
I'm not saying replace the full screen version, just add another disc or something Posted Image

#17 of 401 OFFLINE   Mitch Kaufman

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:28 AM

That's a good question. Of course we have no way of knowing whar was done to this scan in terms of after-the-fact video processing. I only know what my eyes tell me. And they tell me the older discs have much stronger color. The same is true of Singin' In The Rain, BTW. The first DVD has much better color. Sorry to rain on this parade, but it is what it is. Incidentally, I find all the Astaire-Rogers films to be soft. The old laserdisc of Swing Time may have more visible flaws, but it's also sharper, with greater detail.

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:32 AM

Having stronger color doesn't necessarily mean it's the correct level of color. Crawdaddy

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#19 of 401 OFFLINE   Kevin M

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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:37 AM

Based on the screen caps, I'm not sure what I think of the new (originally intended?) color scheme. As many have said they definitely seem to have gone for a warmer tone and that is fine but are the whites supposed to have a cream tone rather than white? In many of the shots my eye is drawn towards the older transfer color rather than the new one...but being based on screen caps this isn't the most accurate judgment one could make. I'll buy this one without reservation. Still, I have to admit that I'm not sure what I think of the new tones.
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Posted October 19 2005 - 01:38 AM

Good point Robert. "Better" might not be correct, which seems to be causing all sorts of (needless IMO) controversy with Warner.

Excellent review Herb. I'm not a huge fan of this movie but the third disc alone is worth it to me. The 1910 version is pretty darn funny (especially the cow filling in for the dog). Posted Image





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