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Other Shoe Drops: Will Blu-Ray be HDMI Only Too?


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#1 of 128 OFFLINE   Pete Lee

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Posted August 09 2005 - 05:01 AM

Well, not really a surprise since Sony is one of the founding members of the Advanced Access Content System but the Blu-Ray guys announced that they will go with AACS. AACS mandates down-rezing of high-def signals through component inputs. Here's the article with some quotes:

http://www.extremete....1845993,00.asp

I'm opting out of HD video.

#2 of 128 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted August 09 2005 - 05:12 AM

So how exactly will the PS3 work with some 13 inch TV that a little kid will use to play games on? Correct me if I'm wrong but won't you need an HDMI input on your TV to play it?

#3 of 128 OFFLINE   WillG

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Posted August 09 2005 - 06:09 AM

So is the HTF boycott back on?
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#4 of 128 OFFLINE   Jason Harbaugh

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Posted August 09 2005 - 06:35 AM

Ooooh, the money I will be saving. Posted Image Posted Image

#5 of 128 OFFLINE   Dave Simpson

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Posted August 09 2005 - 06:40 AM

F**k them all, in that case. I'll stick with upconverted 1080i over component. Wow, I just saved a bundle!! Cheers.

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#6 of 128 OFFLINE   Shane Martin

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Posted August 09 2005 - 06:51 AM

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So how exactly will the PS3 work with some 13 inch TV that a little kid will use to play games on?
He'll buy an adapter and hook it up via composite like he does now. This affects movies, not games. It would shock me if they would not allow PS3 games to be seen in HD via component. If it's fine now, it will be fine for later. Movies are a different story.

#7 of 128 OFFLINE   Aaron_Brez

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Posted August 09 2005 - 07:13 AM

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So how exactly will the PS3 work with some 13 inch TV that a little kid will use to play games on? Correct me if I'm wrong but won't you need an HDMI input on your TV to play it?


Presuming his 13" TV is capable of 1080i, he will be forced to accept a mere 480p. Hopefully he will not notice.

(actually, most likely the Blu-ray drives will have composite and/or S-Video outs as well as component and HDMI)

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Posted August 09 2005 - 07:41 AM

wow, a kick in the teeth of early adopters...

nice...
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#9 of 128 OFFLINE   Mick Wright

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Posted August 09 2005 - 08:22 AM

I wonder how long it will be until cable and sat boxes are setup to down-rez HD over component connections. It has to be coming.
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#10 of 128 OFFLINE   Pete Lee

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Posted August 09 2005 - 08:34 AM

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So how exactly will the PS3 work with some 13 inch TV that a little kid will use to play games on? Correct me if I'm wrong but won't you need an HDMI input on your TV to play it?

No, I'm sure games discs will be granted permission under the AACS to pass through component inputs without downrezing. After all, the threat of the so-called analog hole is not the same for games as it is for movies; you're not going to "copy" a game by capturing the signal as it passes through the component input. So your PS3 games will play in 720p or 1080i/p in all their glory over components. Incidentally, XBox 360 games will also be HD through components.

It's too bad, I was looking forward to HD but there's no way I'm going to replace my TV AND my computer monitor to get it.

#11 of 128 OFFLINE   Jesse Blacklow

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Posted August 09 2005 - 08:45 AM

What, you were surprised? The winner of the format war is going to be the one that makes the studios the happiest. Why do you think Fox jumped on board?

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So how exactly will the PS3 work with some 13 inch TV that a little kid will use to play games on? Correct me if I'm wrong but won't you need an HDMI input on your TV to play it?
C'mon people, don't make senseless arguments like this. Someone who's playing on the 13"-20" TV isn't buying a next-gen system for image quality or a HD media player. It's not as if they're going to make the PS3 (which doesn't even have final specs yet) HDMI-only.

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Well, if you and everyone else does it, hoepfully the studios will get the message. Thanks to our adamantly and stubbornly uneducated consumer culture, I wouldn't count on it
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#12 of 128 OFFLINE   Jeff Ulmer

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Posted August 09 2005 - 09:19 AM

Okay, that pretty much sets the stage for a full out boycott of HD. There is no way I am investing in any format that won't play on the high priced set I own, and I can only hope that the consumer backlash severely hurts these companies' bottom line. This is complete and utter bullshit. Posted Image

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Posted August 09 2005 - 09:33 AM

I'm stunned by this. Here is a technology that probably most J6P's will be slow to adopt anyway, and now they've made it even less attractive to them by requiring a HDMI connection to view the disks at 1080. WTF?

"Gee honey, should we buy this $20 DVD player or get this $200 Blu Ray player that'll wind up looking the same anyway?"

Am I understanding this right?

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Posted August 09 2005 - 09:38 AM

If you've been paying attention, there are currently devices that will enable you to play HDCP encrypted bitstreams on non-HDCP compliant displays (including CRTs), although whether these devices will still work when HD discs are finally released is undetermined (little something called key revocation might screw things up) and there will be more devices in the future. Plus, there's always the Chinese ....

This shouldn't be a surprise; we've known that the analog outputs would be downrezzed to SD in the presence of an HDCP encrypted bitstream for quite a while. If they weren't, what would be the point of HDCP?
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#15 of 128 OFFLINE   John Goodwin

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Posted August 09 2005 - 11:02 AM

What does this key revocation mean for multi region capability?

#16 of 128 OFFLINE   Pete Lee

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Posted August 09 2005 - 11:14 AM

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Well, if you and everyone else does it, hoepfully the studios will get the message. Thanks to our adamantly and stubbornly uneducated consumer culture, I wouldn't count on it

I think you're far too pessimistic. The systems are so user un-friendly that people will simply not bother and stick with DVDs. I believe this will be DVD Audio/SACD/CD all over. The mass market will judge DVDs good enough and the studios will be forced to capitulate because they need HD video to take off to compensate for their stagnating DVD revenue. Ultimately, the market will force a retreat from their copyright extremism. It's just going to take some time. I'm willing to wait it out and do nothing to help the studios.

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Posted August 09 2005 - 11:34 AM

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If you've been paying attention, there are currently devices that will enable you to play HDCP encrypted bitstreams on non-HDCP compliant displays (including CRTs), although whether these devices will still work when HD discs are finally released is undetermined (little something called key revocation might screw things up)


Where? Dtrovision boxes, which have been hailed here as the thing to have in order to do this, are billed as "HDCP compliant"... which means that while it will pass a 1080i signal out its component end, it won't do so in the presence of a protected/encypted signal.

I know. I checked with the licensing body.

China is a legitimate (some might say illegitimate Posted Image ) possibility, though. At least until the keys used there are revoked.

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Posted August 09 2005 - 11:39 AM

I am OK with this as long as I don't have to plug the machine into the telephone jack. And NO, it has not been decided if that is truely the case as of yet.

#19 of 128 OFFLINE   Aaron_Brez

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Posted August 09 2005 - 11:42 AM

I'm with Tony. If this has to be hooked into a telephone or ethernet jack, it's a no-sale.

Otherwise (for me), I view the likelihood of something annoying occuring to disrupt the HD goodness as small compared to the enjoyment I will get out of prerecorded HD content.

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Posted August 09 2005 - 11:57 AM

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"Gee honey, should we buy this $20 DVD player or get this $200 Blu Ray player that'll wind up looking the same anyway?"


"well when you put it that way Hon i guess it doesn't matter. but , on the other hand, if we do get the Blu ray player, then we will be able to play HD discs 10 or 15 years from now, when we're ready. it would be much better not to have to buy another player in ten years when we upgrade out tv"


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