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BATMAN (1943 serial) Oct 18, 2005


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#1 of 22 Steve Phillips

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Posted July 26 2005 - 04:50 AM

DVD Drive-In is reporting that the first 1943 BATMAN serial hits DVD on Oct 18th.

Good news, but is there any chance it will be the original, unaltered version? I kind of doubt it; this will most likely be the same version (altered) released by Goodtimes in 1989.

I've got a copy of the original version, and most of what was changed was the narration at the beginning and end of the chapters, which would be considered racist today. The Goodtimes version has rewritten and revoiced narration by Gary Owens from "Laugh-In"!

I think they should release the original version but include a little featurette that would comment on wartime attitudes, etc.

#2 of 22 Steve...O

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Posted July 26 2005 - 05:07 AM

Great news if it's the original uncensored version. Otherwise I'll pass. I have some optimism in that this is coming from Sony and not a budget label.

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#3 of 22 oscar_merkx

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Posted July 26 2005 - 05:15 AM

only interested if the original version
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#4 of 22 Mike Wadkins

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Posted July 26 2005 - 05:20 AM

what types of things where altered?

#5 of 22 Steve Phillips

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Posted July 26 2005 - 06:02 AM

Read original post

#6 of 22 LaurenceGarvey

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Posted July 26 2005 - 06:50 AM

The serial was released in 1943, and there are many references to "Japs" and many anti-Japanese slurs. Frankly, this serial goes beyond non-PCism and is downright ugly in its racism.

I'm surprised Sony is releasing it, but since they are, I hope it's the original version, with a disclaimer, as suggested above (maybe good ol' Leonard Maltin'll do it).

#7 of 22 Mike Wadkins

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Posted July 26 2005 - 07:49 AM

thanks Laurence that answered my question

#8 of 22 Clay_E

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Posted July 26 2005 - 09:17 AM

No listing for this on Amazon yet - is this confirmed?
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#9 of 22 Bill GrandPre

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Posted July 26 2005 - 09:21 AM

With cases like these, I can understand censorship as an option. I think the best way to present something like this would be to default to the censored version but make the original version an option. Burying it in the setup or special features menu would probably be adequate but they could even include it as an easter egg or flag the disc to be an "adult" title so that people that use parental controls wouldn't have to worry about their kids watching it. Basically, it boils down to this: it's not a good idea to have kids picking up something full of uses of terms like "jap" because they saw "Batman Begins", "Justice League Unlimited" or "The Batman", but the original version should be available for those of us that are capable of viewing the film in it's original context.
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#10 of 22 Matt Stieg

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Posted July 26 2005 - 09:34 AM

I'm willing to bet the original version will be offered. I'm sure Sony knows the only people that will buy this want the original version, and no one would buy the altered version.

#11 of 22 Russell G

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Posted July 26 2005 - 10:29 AM

Seeing as Sony's "Batman And Robin" was complete, I'd be surprised if this is altered at all. Has sony released cut product before? I have many complaints about Sony's DVD releases, but cut presentations hasn't been one of them yet.

#12 of 22 Jace_A

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Posted July 26 2005 - 10:30 AM

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I'm willing to bet the original version will be offered. I'm sure Sony knows the only people that will buy this want the original version, and no one would buy the altered version.


You do realise that Sony is a Japanese owned company?

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I have many complaints about Sony's DVD releases, but cut presentations hasn't been one of them yet.


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#13 of 22 Kenny Neal

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Posted July 26 2005 - 01:31 PM

So by the end of the October, we'll have the 1943 and 1949 serials, the Adam West movie, the two Michael Keaton movies, the Val Kilmer, George Clooney and Christian Bale movies, not to mention a handful of animated interpretations... so why can't they figure out how to release the 1966 TV show already?!?
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#14 of 22 Bob Furmanek

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Posted July 27 2005 - 02:41 AM

I have seen the original serial in 35mm from a vintage, unaltered 1954 theatrical re-release print. There are not that many references to "Japs" in the 15 chapters. Perhaps two or three times in the opening voice-over, and two times when Prince (Doctor) Daka is recognized by Linda Page and the Batman.

The most derogatory comment is in chapter one when the announcer proclaims that a "wise government rounded up the shifty-eyed Japs."

These voice-overs were redone for the 1966 theatrical re-issue, and that's the version which has been syndicated to cable and released on video by Goodtimes.

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Posted July 29 2005 - 07:37 AM

>self-edited to remove the stupid question I asked<
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#16 of 22 Steve Phillips

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Posted July 29 2005 - 09:24 AM

Did you read the first post or the thread title?

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Posted July 29 2005 - 08:11 PM

:b Oh, dear God, I'm an idiot...sorry about that! I was reading this at work and somehow managed to miss that completely...
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#18 of 22 LaurenceGarvey

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Posted September 01 2005 - 11:58 AM

I have gotten confirmation from Sony about their plans for the BATMAN serial DVD (edited or unedited); please visit the news section at www.inthebalcony.com for more info!

#19 of 22 Garysb

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Posted September 01 2005 - 12:11 PM

Thanks for the info . Looks like a buy for me.

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Posted September 01 2005 - 01:48 PM

YES. Uncut and if that is the real case, very nice cover.





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