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#21 of 123 OFFLINE   Kenneth Cummings

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Posted February 07 2005 - 03:51 PM

Well there been a update on the Satellite News (Offical site) on the box. They said that not only ASSIGNMENT: VENEZUELA included in the box, but it has the two shorts that came with it on the old video...Century 21 Calling and A Case of Spring Fever.

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A bonus feature will be ASSIGNMENT: VENEZUELA, the short originally MSTed for the ill-fated CD-ROM project and which was never shown on television. Rhino has confirmed for us that this bonus will contain the contents of the entire "Venezuela" tape currently available from the Info Club, which also includes the shorts CENTURY 21 CALLING and A CASE OF SPRING FEVER.


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#22 of 123 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted February 08 2005 - 01:21 AM

MST3K Info is giving a (tentative) date of April 19 for this set.

#23 of 123 OFFLINE   Kevin M

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Posted April 20 2005 - 08:32 AM

Well this was released a few days ago...anyone bought it yet? Mine is on the way from DDD.
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#24 of 123 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted April 20 2005 - 09:14 AM

Yep, I picked mine up. I (as always) won't get a chance to watch it until this weekend thoughPosted Image

#25 of 123 OFFLINE   Dane Marvin

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Posted April 20 2005 - 11:51 AM

Should be here tomorrow from DDD. I wish DDD was a B&M. Posted Image

#26 of 123 OFFLINE   Dane Marvin

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Posted April 20 2005 - 03:44 PM

BEWARE:

"The Killer Shrews" is cut! The opening narration of the film itself is removed, per fans at the MST3K Review discussion board:

http://forrestcrow.p....num=1114028989

Don't know why this was done as of yet, but I thought Rhino knew better than this. If you're going to release a cut episode, you gotta tell the customer ahead of time. I'm sick of this BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted Image

Apparently, the opening narration has some good riffs and is alluded to later in the ep by one of the SOL members who says something to the effect of "Wasn't this already covered in the opening narration?"

Edit: I updated the thread link to a better thread. This one has an .mp3 posted of what was cut.

Transcript of the missing footage here:

Narrator: Those who hunt by night will tell you, that the wildest and most vicious of all animals..."
Joel: "Are in Vegas?"
Narrator: "Is the Shrew!"
All: "A Shrew? Oh come on!" (chuckling)
Narrator: "... it feeds only by the dark of the moon"
Crow: "You just go with us on that one, okay?"
Narrator: "He must eat his own body weight..."
Servo: "Plus a delicous shake"
Narrator: "Or die"

#27 of 123 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted April 20 2005 - 11:10 PM

While I understand people's frustration, I'll just have to enjoy the other 89 minutes and 30 seconds of the show and not really worry about the missing thirty seconds.

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Posted April 21 2005 - 01:20 AM

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While I understand people's frustration, I'll just have to enjoy the other 89 minutes and 30 seconds of the show and not really worry about the missing thirty seconds.

what if 60 seconds were cut? 120 seconds? 5 minutes? At what point can we say Rhino is selling a defective product? Now.

(if this is true)

#29 of 123 OFFLINE   Kevin M

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Posted April 21 2005 - 08:12 AM

Well, can anyone here confirm this?

Sorry but I'm getting the set anyway because there is just too much in there I want aside from 25 seconds or so of the Shrews episode (plus I have a pretty damn good S-VHS copy of the original Shrews broadcast copied onto DVD anyway).
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#30 of 123 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted April 21 2005 - 08:29 AM

"what if 60 seconds were cut? 120 seconds? 5 minutes? At what point can we say Rhino is selling a defective product? Now."

Assuming it's true, you can say they're selling an edited product right now because it is missing footage.

I don't care if that part is missing because as Kevin said, there is so much good on it that it's still worth it to get it. I'm not saying that everyone has to have that point of view but for me, I can live with missing 30 seconds.

The fact that it's missing footage at all is rather strange to me. I would have to assume it's just a dumb oversight on Rhino's part because it's not like it's a syndicated version (which doesn't exist) of the episode or anything. And they had to know that the hardcore MSTies, which make up the majority of their customers for the set, go over the discs with a fine tooth comb and anything missing would be noticed immediately.

#31 of 123 OFFLINE   Patrick McCart

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Posted April 21 2005 - 10:34 AM

It's possible that the footage is missing due to the master tapes being damaged or something. I've noticed several episodes have some glitches from the tape source.

They could have asked around for a fan's S-VHS, but I doubt Rhino has the budget to really be that choosy about elements to use.

The Killer Shrews is almost 13 years old and the show originates from Digital Betamax, so I'm betting it's tape damage.

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Posted April 21 2005 - 11:41 AM

Well, can anyone here confirm this?

I can. But it's not like I thought that the MSTies over on the board were lying; they're very knowledgeable fans. It was one of them who has a DVD from a Comedy Central airing that realized the footage was missing.

I have my copy and am not boycotting Rhino. I think that's a really dumb idea. But I'm just dumbfounded as to how Rhino could be so stupid as to:

A) Cut a 30-second bit with nothing that would create a legal problem.
B) Not warn consumers that this was done and provide an explanation as to why.

I will boycott the hell out of them if they continue to make these amateur mistakes. Hell, all it takes is one actual fan of the f*ckin show on your production team to get it right. With some of these studios, you'd be hard pressed to find someone on the production team who actually seen the show prior to their company releasing it on DVD.

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Posted April 21 2005 - 11:59 AM

Here's a good post from someone at the MST3K Review Board by the way:

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I did a little searching on Rhino's site, and not only can you contact them by email, you can also leave a voicemail at a toll-free 1-800 number.

Now before you e-mail or call Rhino, I ask that you do not act impolite in your correspondence with them. Be civil and politely express your dissapointment when you leave them a message asking them to provide clarification and an explanation over why they went through the extra effort to cut The Killer Shrews on disc #4 of Volume 7.

It could be that Best Brains sent Rhino, whether accidentally or intentionally, a video master copy of The Killer Shrews that omitted this footage. It could be that this portion of the video master was heavily damaged and had to be cut.

On the darker side, it could be that there were rights/licensing/copyright clearence issues regarding the particular print that Best Brains used for for The Killer Shrews years ago. It's possible that the opening narration was added to a public domain print of The Killer Shrews, since the original release of the motion picture is likely in the public domain (As judged by all the DVD releases this film has had by home video companies that specialize in that field). In other words, someone recorded a new narration and backdrop and pasted it onto a print of this possibly-public domain film and was thus granted a new copyright to the film due to this added material, and Rhino and/or Best Brains were intent on releasing this episode, even if they had to cut out this possibly newly-copyrighted material in order to avoid liability from a copyright infringement suit. I can't vouch completely for this, so if anyone owns the unMSTed version of this film, please tell us if it is the same as version used on the show.

If this scenario is true, than it is simply unacceptable that Best Brains and/or Rhino did not go through all the neccessary licensing or clearance issues to properly release this episode. There was no reason to cut the episode for tiime to fit on the DVD disc because I can confirm through the use of the My Computer icon in Windows XP and right-clicking the properties option for the DVD that Disc #4 -- The Killer Shrews is a dual-layered disc, and that the disc only takes up just over 6GB, when dual-layered discs can hold as much as 8.5GB, so we're not talking about the lack of disc space here as reason for this.

I would remind them in any message that you leave them that Rhino has in the past sent out corrected, replacement dics due to pressing errors in the manufacturing of a particular Transformers DVD and Yes CD compilation. We should recommend a similar action with regard to Rhino requesting a new video master copy from BBI that includes the portion of the episode that was cut, remaster it, press and send out replacement discs to all owners of Volume 7 that request them through an offer where on our part of the deal, we mail out our copies of The Killer Shrews discs directly to Rhino so that they can verify who is entitled to a corrected disc.

It is disingenuous and misleading for Rhino to claim on the back of the box that Volume 7 includes four feature-length episodes when that is simply not the case. There is such a thing as truth in advertising.

With that said, here is how you can contact them:

drrhino@rhino.com

or you can leave a message in their voicemail box at:

1-800-546-3670

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#34 of 123 OFFLINE   Jay Pennington

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Posted April 21 2005 - 10:39 PM

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the show originates from Digital Betamax


Well, Betamax was the old consumer format. The various professional flavors of Beta have been:

Beta
Beta SP
Beta SX
DigiBeta

1992 show? Probably Beta SP. SX and Digi didn't exist yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if the KTMA and maybe even early CC eps were on 3/4". (Those are 3/4" tapes Frank is holding in the opening of CC episodes through season 6 or so.)
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#35 of 123 OFFLINE   Gord Lacey

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Posted April 26 2005 - 11:38 AM

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Don't know why this was done as of yet, but I thought Rhino knew better than this. If you're going to release a cut episode, you gotta tell the customer ahead of time. I'm sick of this BS!


I spoke to Rhino about this yesterday when someone emailed me the information. They received the material from the licensor with the footage missing.

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Posted May 01 2005 - 07:48 AM

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1992 show? Probably Beta SP. SX and Digi didn't exist yet.



At the last official convention they were running episodes in two theaters 24-7 and they were using Beta Sp tapes for those.


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#37 of 123 OFFLINE   Gord Lacey

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Posted May 09 2005 - 07:35 AM

Alright guys, Rhino has a fix for people that want it.

http://www.tvshowson...cfm?NewsID=3394

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#38 of 123 OFFLINE   TravisR

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Posted May 09 2005 - 08:01 AM

Cool! Thanks for the tip, Gord. It wasn't killing me to have the episode edited but it's great that Rhino corrected the mistake.

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Posted May 09 2005 - 08:08 AM

Any idea if the corrected set will be put out in the stores or any online retailer selling the corrected one? I'll be in the States in July and was planning on picking this up; clearly I won't be able to take them up on the corrected disc offer...

#40 of 123 OFFLINE   Mark Cappelletty

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Posted May 09 2005 - 08:45 AM

Thanks Gord. I just emailed "Dr. Rhino." Don't know if they plan on doing a disc swap or are just sending out corrected DVDs.


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