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#1 of 99 OFFLINE   DaViD Boulet

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HERO
Studio:MIRAMAX
Year:2003
RunTime:99 minutes
Aspect Ratio:16x9 encoded 2.35:1 OAR
Audio:5.1 DTS Chinese, 5.1 DD Chinese, English, French
Subtitles:English, Spanish
SpecialFeatures:Interview Featurette with Quentin Terantino and Jet Li, Hero Defined (behind the scenes documentary), Storyboards
ReleaseDate:November 30, 2004







Feature...




Beautiful. Exquisite. Graceful. Majestic. Poetic.

One of the most impressive films to cross my path in quite some time, HERO astounded me on almost every level: visuals, story, and style. I want to share my enthusiasm with you without giving away any details of the story that would lessen the experience for first-time viewers, so if my comments sound vague and my accolades generalized, please bear this in mind.

HERO is based on Chinese history/legend when China was a divided nation attempting to be united under common rule by a rising emperor. Upon this backdrop is laid a truly spiritual tale of justice, faithfulness, and personal integrity depicted with some of the most artfully rendered filmmaking I've ever witnessed. Director Zhang Yimou uses the 2.35:1 canvas as medium to express visual poetry undiluted by convention yet unmarred by contrivance. Images blur the material and spiritual into an enigmatic and inseparable whole. Color becomes a vehicle for emotion without timidity (last time I saw such direct and unashamed use of color this way was in The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover). The story unfolds like an carpet unrolling down a staircase and just as soon as you start to feel comfortable with its pattern and texture, another carpet is unrolled covering over it, and again and again. Acting, writing, and direction are without blemish. I found myself humbled to consider the vast film talent from the non-European world -- a glimpse of which I only stumbled upon here -- reminding me of how in some sublime manner artistic expression finds a way to communicate effectively across borders and cultural/political divides.

The film that one most easily compares HERO to is Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and this is the film that perhaps best captures the litmus test of whether or not you will enjoy HERO. However, digging past the mythical, dance-like style of the martial-arts scenes, I found HERO to evoke impressions of some other well-regarded films that deserve mentioning. The first is Rashoman, with its twisting, unsettling, retelling of the same facts through different perceptive lenses, forcing us to reconsider our conclusions over and over again. The second was RAN, with its dazzling, macabre, and sublimely beautiful battle scenes (especially those involving archery) and challenging tests of loyalty when duty would seem to run contrary to greater truths. The third is the Lord of The Rings trilogy...with it's epic grandeur and indelible sense of duty to fight for what it "right", while at the same time revealing at times the difficult task to judge the course.

More than an "action" film or "Martial arts" film, HERO is an art film about the journey of the human heart and the nobility of spirit to sacrifice for what is right. While my impressions of this film may not be shared by every viewer, I encourage everyone who has not seen this film to take the chance to discover how HERO affects you. I think that that risk is well worth the potential experience that awaits you.






Picture...




It's time for Miramax to shut down their DVD production facilities and turn their film library over to a mastering house that knows what they're doing.

I had hoped that some of the recent high-profile travesties like English Patient and Cold Mountain might help start to turn things around. Well, for whatever reason, HERO suffers from all the ills that plagued both of those titles (especially Cold Mountain).

It appears to my eyes that all high-frequency detail has been SEVERELY filtered...completely ridding HERO of any "filmlike" quality on a large screen. My assumption is that this is an (inappropriate) attempt to mitigate the appearance of excessive film-grain for the "home video" market. Allow me to take a brief aside and suggest that if whatever inherent film-grain was present in the film-source material was good enough for a 50 foot+ commercial theater, that it should also be good enough for the proportionately much smaller screen of the current home-video market. But I digress. In any event, despite the copious degree of "filtering" there *still* appears to be quite a bit of noise associated with film-grain in the final image. This is because in an (ineffective) attempt to compensate for the lack of image detail in the filtered image, the image has been electronically/digitally manipulated to "boost" whatever high-frequency information survived. In the common HTF tongue this is what we refer to as "edge enhancement"...however...in the case of HERO which is so devoid of sharp edge-transitions due to the soft-focus nature of the filtered imagery, there are not very many traditional "edge halos" to be seen. So in that sense, one might attest that the image appears "free from EE" if they are looking for edge-halos only. The objective reality is that much electronic HF boosting appears to be taking place...as witnessed in the "digital noise" of what ought-to-appear as natural film-grain, despite the (thankful) lack of obvious haloing.

The image has a distinctly "digital" look to it on a wide-angle viewing display (one that attempt to approximate the viewing angle you might experience from the mid-to-back row of a movie theater) and it appears that compression is also heavily taxed...likely as a consequence of the pre-existing digital noise from electronic manipulation. In some scenes where the MPEG noise became bothersome (often in backgrounds) I was tempted to still-step frame by frame to see exactly what had been encoded into the video bitstream and it wasn't pretty. Before one is tempted to blame the inclusion of DTS as the culprit, please consider that many near reference-DVDs exist with DTS and multiple 5.1 DD soundtrack options (The Two Towers, and super-bit Fifth Element as examples).

Contrast also seems wanting, and I found the black-level unsatisfyingly "gray" and the image never seemed to get a solid footing that images with strong contrast/dynamic range seem to command. Colors were marginally drab though at times were more vivid and this is one area (colors) where I'm tempted to presume that what I'm seeing is a faithful replication of the source film elements.

Now, like all of you I get despondent thinking about substandard video encoding especially with a DVD of a title as meritable as the film HERO. Thus, I try to start from a "maybe it's just being true to the source" standpoint and look for evidence to prove this position otherwise. Sadly, With the HERO DVD, there was evidence ready and waiting for me. Remember all the hullabaloo with the ringing on the Phantom Menace DVD with some folks desperately suggesting that maybe the ringing was "in the film" when sadly the trailers on the DVD revealed absolutely no ringing and looked substantially better than the feature-length film? Well, we get a similar "peep hole" to see how much better HERO could have really looked on this DVD as well. There is a 4x3 encoded special feature on the disc titled "Inside the Action: A Conversation with Quentin Tarantino and Jet Li" and in it you'll see some clips from the movie which are shown 1.85:1...apparently cropped on the left/right down from the original 2.35:1 image (didn't check this last point too carefully so don't quote that as scripture). Bottom line: These 4x3 encoded clips "fix" just about everything *WRONG* with the image quality of the feature film!!! GONE is the "noisy" film-grain-garble and in its place is a cleaner looking image with some natural-looking fine-film grain. GONE is the Vaseline-like blur and in its place is a visibly more satisfying increase in natural picture detail. GONE is the "flat" and "digital" look to the image and in its place is an image that looks more real, more natural, with an improved sense of 3-dimensional depth. And PRESENT is a solid black level and gray-scale that looks almost Matrix-quality. In fact, the movie clips in this special feature look almost "Warner Brothers-like" in their presentation.

Don't even THINK about suggesting that the digital noise on the running feature of this DVD is "in the source" when clearly it is NOT. Now, I'm not proposing that HERO should look as razor-sharp as live-cam sports programs on HDTV...just won't be lulled into falsely assuming that this DVD is really delivering the true-to-the-source goods.

Just to add my usual disclaimer, it's quite likely that viewers watching from greater than 2-screen-widths away from their display may not find the problems I've discussed as objectionable as they appeared to me at 1.6 screen-widths from my projection screen.

BOO Miramax for taking such a stunningly beautiful work of art such as this film and for turning it into a substandard digital mess. EVERY OTHER MAJOR STUDIO HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO PROPERLY MASTER A DVD to look good on a large-screen, wide-angle display presentation. When will you???

Update Dec 1: Comparison to R0 version by Cameron on HTF:

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I rented a copy of the Miramax release and compared it to my GD Face R0 standard length release. Using David's criteria in Post #43 I would give the Miramax release a 2.0 (maybe a 2.5 if you prefer the greater color saturation) and the GD Face a 3.5.

The Miramax release definitely has problems. Fine detail is pretty much obliterated, even in close up shots. I didn't watch the whole movie, just parts, but the most offensive scene I encountered was in the last 10 minutes or so when Nameless stands in front of the almost black gate and turns around. There is a great deal of mosquito noise in the black areas, a veritable swarm. The scenes I viewed overall exhibited some level of noise, giving it a digitally "grainy" look. The GD Face exhibited some noise in the black gate scene, but not to the same level of distraction.

As I was watching the GD Face it really reminded me of the video quality of movies like Kill Bill V2. Close up shots have fine detail but medium shots and wide shots have decreasing levels of clear detail. I believe this is a result of horizontal filtering?

The one thing I can say the Miramax release seems to have is greater color saturation. I noticed that immediately without having to do a comparison. But standing on its own the GD Face is certainly no slouch in the color department.

Let me know if there are any particular scenes you'd like me to compare. I have the Miramax release through the weekend.

FYI: I was viewing on a 73" screen and sitting at a distance of 1.75 screen width. InFocus 4805 projector being fed an interlaced signal from a Toshiba 4900, so Faroudja DCDi enabled. Calibrated of course.


Picture Quality: 2.5 / 5

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Rating Rationale...

After posting this review I attempted to codify my numeric rating rationale to try to ensure some consistency from review to review (rather than just slapping on the number that "hits me" when watching the movie). In the past I think I've been too generous with my scoring or at least not applying it consistently from title to title, so I hope to apply this rating system effectively from this review forward:

Rating Key:

SCORE Description
1-2 An absolute abomination. Hurts to watch. Think "Outland" (scan-line aliasing, chroma noise, dotcrawl)-- truly horrid.
2-3 Has some serious problems, but one can at least watch it without getting a headache despite all the problems though you might try to talk your guests into picking a different movie to watch. Think Cold Mountain.
3-4 OK or at least "acceptable" on a big-screen, but not winning any awards and definitely room for improvement. Think the first extended cut of Fellowship of the Ring...decent picture but still some HF filtering and some edge-halos.
4-5 A reference picture that really makes the most of the DVD medium and shows extraordinary transparency to the film-source elements. Think The Empire Strikes Back or the Fifth Element Superbit.






Sound...



Whatever could have gone wrong with the video side of HERO's mastering has apparently gone utterly right with the audio. The 5.1 original Chinese soundtrack is recorded and mixed as artfully as the visual imagery was filmed. Forgive me for not even bothering to review the English and French soundtrack options... Posted Image

Frequency response is perfect...with deep, yet controlled bass, solid midrange and airy, unrestrained highs that sound crisp and open without becoming fatiguing or bright. Dynamics are frightfully bold at times and I found myself worried about my neighbors downstairs...always a good thing in a mix like this. Posted Image

The mix is aggressive without being gimmicky and envelops the listener in a sound-field that has to be experienced. This is a 5.1 mix with class. Action sequences take full advantage of the sound-field they are afforded through the 5.1 matrix and surround the listener with realism according to the on-screen context. In an early scene, listen to the rain drops during the "chess" sequence. In the "Calligraphy" scene, listen to the swarm of arrows engulf the room. But accentuating intensity isn't the only, or even the primary use of the 5.1 mix. The lush and majestic musical score is rendered with astonishing realism and "space" through the mix. Footsteps, room echos, and ambient cues are constantly presenting a believable 360 degree environment of sound to engage the listener. This, my friends, is one of the "reference" multichannel mixes of the year (my system is only 5.1 capable...those of you with 6.1 decoding please let us know your impressions as well).

DTS?

I really do "start fresh" each time I review a DTS/DD mix (and you'll remember there was one case that I even gave the nod to the DD track), and in this case the DTS does win-out over the DD in my system. Both mixes sound identical from a content point of view...it sounds to my ears that the same 5.1 mix was used to source the DTS and the DD encoded bitstreams. And both soundtrack options sound like they are the same level to my ears as well. However, the DTS takes the already-great sound of the DD mix and adds that last fine-level of resolution which seems to pull the sonics, especially the musical score, into focus. Sounds seem to image front/back better in the DTS track and the soundstage become truly holographic, and seamless as the point-source of the speakers seems to disappear. The DD soundtrack, by comparison, sounds more "locked" into the discrete presence of the speakers in my room and seems to present a flatter soundstage. Vocals/dialogue on the DTS track sounds a bit "rounder" to my ears, and bass reproduction sounds more realistic, as do the sounds of the instrumentation in the musical score.

To some, these differences between the DTS and DD soundtrack may appear subtle, or not detectable at all, and that's fine. But to my ears, in my system, my impression is that they are both real and meaningful, and given the choice I will listen to the DTS track exclusively.

Two thumbs up for audio. Three if I had three.


Sound Quality: 5 / 5

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Special Features...


We've got three, and while hardly to the level of the "special edition" that many of you might hope for, they're nice to have and at least one, the "Hero Defined" documentary, has some re-watch potential in my opinion.

    [*][b]Hero Defined: This 24 minute documentary consists of interviews with much of the creative talent...writing, directing, and acting, and reveals the usual "behind the scenes" trivia about various special effects, techniques, and obstacles encountered during film-making. A rare event from a Disney DVD, This special feature is presented in 16x9 encoded 1.77:1...with many of the scenes from the film properly letterboxed to their 2.35:1 aspect ratio (looking no better, I might add, than they looked in the feature film). I encourage every one who enjoys the film to watch this feature in its entirety...it will broaden your appreciation not only for the film, but for the talented individuals who are behind it.

    [*][b]Inside the Action: A Conversation with Quentin Tarantino and Jet Li: This 14 minute conversation between these two is presented in 4x3 encoded 1.33:1 with the occasional movie-clip presented letterboxed at 1.85:1 inside this frame (taking up about the same amount of vertical space on my 16x9 screen as the 16x9 2.35:1 encoded image). Fans of Tarantino and/or Jet Li will enjoy this feature for its expressed content, though my primary interest was of the marked improvement in picture quality seen in the movie clips presented here as compared to the feature film (I mention this is my review of the disc's picture quality section as well). Take a look and share your impressions.

    [*][b]Storyboards: Here you see the hand-drawn storyboard sequence presented in a 2.35:1 frame atop the actual running sequence from the finished film. Interesting, but sadly most of the (4x3 encoded) screen-real-estate is wasted on the background border surrounding these two 2.35:1 images...which could have been dramatically blown-up in size and still fit into the 4x3 window area making them much easier to view and much higher-quality. I had difficulty watching these comparisons on my 106" screen, I can only imagine how much smaller they appear on a conventional television screen.


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    [b]All Together...




    A veritable masterpiece of film-making, how can I not recommend this film to you?

    At the same time, due to the inexcusable video artifacts needlessly introduced by some problem in Miramax's mastering chain, I cannot recommend this DVD incarnation. I'm happy to own it and will watch it again and again as a result, though each time I show it to guests I'll be sure to apologize regarding the image quality and show them a *real* DVD (like Empire Strikes Back) before they leave so they won't think my home-theater system looks like the image from the HERO DVD. I hope my review helps you determine what decision you feel comfortable making for yoursef.

    Your comments and discussion are encouraged.








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#2 of 99 OFFLINE   Tommy G

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Posted November 29 2004 - 07:06 AM

I am at a loss as to whether or not I am going to pick this up. This would have been a definite purchase but due to the fact that I would be projecting this on a 106" screen, I think I'll pass. I can not believe in this day and age that they can not spend the time to do things right with the video. Posted Image Thanks for the review David and also for the video warning.
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Posted November 29 2004 - 07:18 AM

Thanks for saving me some money David. I was on the fence about this release, but I am just going to stay with my HK import.

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Posted November 29 2004 - 07:28 AM

The digitalbits also shares my basic impressions of the picture quality (with a few minor differences as would be expected):

http://www.thedigita...iews3/hero.html

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As you may recall, a few months ago after Matt and I first saw this film in the theater, I noted in my daily column that when Miramax finally got around to releasing this film on disc, the transfer had damn well better sparkle. Sadly, HERO does not sparkle....

Bill Hunt saw this projected theatrically so his impressions indicate to me that without a doubt, there is an electronic/digital problem taking place during disc mastering over at MIRAMAX...
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Posted November 29 2004 - 07:35 AM

Is it possible the reviewer at DVD Talk got a different disc???

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4.5 out of 5 for the picture. Nothing but praise it would seem. Hard to believe given David and Bill's thoughts.
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Posted November 29 2004 - 07:45 AM

I REFUSE to purchase this even though I LOVE the movie. B/c I have read too many bad reviews of the video quality. Thank goodness I saw it three times at the theater.

RENTAL ONLY, and I encourage you all to do the same.

this is the ONLY WAY we can show studios like Miramax that we won't settle for subpar movie transfers.

And to the reviewer: I think most studios still have a lot to learn about video transfers. Even the LOTR films could have looked better than they do. If you need proof, go to the website of Bjoern_Roy, the esteemed poster on this forum, at www.videophile.info.

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Posted November 29 2004 - 07:57 AM

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Even the LOTR films could have looked better than they do. If you need proof, go to the website of Bjoern_Roy, the esteemed poster on this forum, at www.videophile.info.

quite correct. the first Fellowship EE was better than the previous theatrical cut DVD, but still pretty soft-detail overall. The most recent Two Towers EE is MUCH more detailed, but still has some mild vertical-axis edge-haloing (very minor) and could use a tad more detail though overall my impressions of this disc are very very good.

Live seems to be getting better and better with each release...so hopefully the forth-coming Return of the King EE will be a real winner...and when all 3 come out in box sets I'd like for them to offer a new compression of the first two films as well using all that they've learned to improve the PQ.

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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:00 AM

might just have to pick this up for the fun it.... thanks for the dvd review...

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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:05 AM

I'll stick with my legit Chinese import. The DTS is incredible and I'm more than satisfied with the picture quality. By the way, why is it just Jet Lee and Zhang Ziyi on the cover? Lame.
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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:06 AM

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this is the ONLY WAY we can show studios like Miramax that we won't settle for subpar movie transfers.


Actually, the best way is to import the region 0 version from Hong Kong, and keep MiramAXE completly out of the loop.


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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:08 AM

Owning one of the HK imports I'm interested to see comparisons on DVD Beaver or some such. Even better if someone can provide some now.
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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:09 AM

Anybody have the R0 Hong Kong version (near where I live in DC) to compare? I'd love to put it up against the R1 Miramax version on my projector and do an A/B shoot-out...

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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:18 AM

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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:27 AM

I too will stick with my Chinese import. Picture and sound suited me just fine. Thanks for the review Dave.

BTW if you like Hero go see House of the Flying Daggers Dec. 3 I haven't seen it myself but I have heard it's as good if not better than Hero (and it's from Sony Classics, not Miram-AXE.Posted Image)

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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:32 AM

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BTW if you like Hero go see House of the Flying Daggers Dec. 3 I haven't seen it myself but I have heard it's as good if not better than Hero (and it's from Sony Classics, not Miram-AXE.)


I enjoyed it more than Hero and anyone just looking for martial arts action won't be disappointed (unless they hate wirework and use of CGI, but then they wouldn't like Hero either). I bought the R3 release when it came out b/c it was cheap, but the transfer is not so hot. I can't wait to see it on the big screen. I didn't get around to going to the theater with Hero, which basically indicates I liked Hero, but not enough to get off my couch.
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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:33 AM

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Mitsubishi WS-55807 55-inch widescreen rear-projection television.
Primary DVD player: Panasonic RP-62 progressive scan.
Secondary DVD player: Cyber Home DVD-500 all-region PAL/NTSC progressive scan.
Technics SA-DX930 receiver (Dolby 5.1 and DTS capability).
Energy Take 5 speaker system with 10-inch subwoofer..

Wonder how *far back* he's sitting from the 55inch set? If it's greater than 2 screen-widths away, chances are the image will start to look much better, as it did with Cold Mountain and English Patient as well (which got praise from some, and critisim from others).

In any case...anyone "in the doubt" arrange a time to come to my place and we can view scenes from HERO back-to-back with some other *properly* mastered discs and you won't have any difficulty seeing the difference!
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Posted November 29 2004 - 08:47 AM

In my opinion, House of Flying Daggers is poor compared to Hero. On its own, though, it's decent entertainment. The story is essentially Crouching Tiger meets Cruel Intentions. It's a soap opera with martial arts scenes. It doesn't approach the grandeur of Hero.

Still, Ziyi looks stunning in it, and some scenes (an early dance scene, a fight in a bamboo forest) are great.

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Posted November 29 2004 - 09:00 AM

I agree that HofD is not as profound or thought provoking as Hero, the former being more an entertainment piece as you mentioned. Usually I warn people about Hero because I imagine most go in expecting a purely martial arts action film.
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Posted November 29 2004 - 09:33 AM

Ordinarily, I would have picked up Hero in a heartbeat, but because it was Miramax I held off until reviews of the video came out. Looks like I made the right move. Sad. Posted Image

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By the way, why is it just Jet Lee and Zhang Ziyi on the cover? Lame.
If you asked most Americans who Tony Leung, Maggie Cheung, Daoming Chen or Donnie Yen were, they'd scratch their heads. BTW, it's Jet Li, not Jet Lee. Posted Image

I think Hero is boring, House of Flying Daggers is better. However, neither of them are better than two other works of Zhang Yimou that I've seen, Red Sorghum and To Live.


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