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Wow!! Dishnetwork 921 HD PVR, New Price $549.95!!


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#1 of 41 OFFLINE   Gregg Loewen

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Posted November 05 2004 - 08:32 AM

Hi guys

Dishnetwork just dropped their price on the 921 HD PVR.

HTF's new sponsor, www.dishstore.net has these in stock for 549.95 plus $12-$27 for shipping. Here is the link....
This deal is smokin!!!

http://www.dishstore....roducts_id=164

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#2 of 41 OFFLINE   EricRWem

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Posted November 05 2004 - 09:13 AM

Wow. "Only" $550?. Posted Image Just messin' with ya, although that is not cheap. Too rich for my blood. What did it cost before?

#3 of 41 OFFLINE   Gregg Loewen

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Posted November 05 2004 - 09:18 AM

$999

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#4 of 41 OFFLINE   Jeremy Little

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Posted November 05 2004 - 09:44 AM

I hope the competition (DIRECTV) follows suit.
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#5 of 41 OFFLINE   Steve Schaffer

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Posted November 05 2004 - 02:11 PM

I'm already a DirecTV customer and sincerely hope this will put some pressure on them to drop the price on the HD DirecTivo.

It'd be nice if someone who's had experience with both the Dish and DirecTV HD pvrs could comment on the features and usability of both units. I've had experience with a standalone SD Tivo, none with any of Dish's pvrs.
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#6 of 41 OFFLINE   Robert_J

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Posted November 05 2004 - 11:30 PM

Since the Dish921 only has a single OTA tuner, it's already at a disadvantage. As far as I know, Dish hasn't implemented their name based recording either. IF they were giving them away free, I'd stick with DirecTV.

I was a Dishplayer user so I am a little biased against Dish. The DP was so bad there was a class action lawsuit brought against Dishnetwork for refunds. I got a coupon for a free PVR or something like that if I switched back to Dish. I jokingly told my wife about it and in complete seriousness told me that we were not leaving Tivo (DirecTivo in our case).

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Posted November 06 2004 - 01:56 AM

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$999


Ridiculous.

I guess that is a big price drop at that rate. Still too pricey for the average consumer, imho, at $550.

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Posted November 06 2004 - 02:13 AM

Wow, everyone is hard to please. $550 is a steal.

I was in line to pick up one of the first units, but delay after delay, then the reported problems with the units recording OTA, made me decide to switch to digital cable with HD PVR earlier this year. They still need to add Starz HD for me to consider switching back.

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Posted November 06 2004 - 12:44 PM

I guess people think that HD sat receivers with PIP capability and a 250 gb hard drive that can record HD should be a commodity already??? Despite the fact that there are only 2 such models that I am aware of and you can count the number of PVR's that can record HD on one hand. $1,000 is a fair price for this much technology and $550 is an outright bargain.

#10 of 41 OFFLINE   Bob McElfresh

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Posted November 06 2004 - 03:15 PM

I'm looking at leasing the unit rather than buying. Radio Shack has a Dish HD PVR for $5/month.

I have 2 502 (standard def PVR's) and the new Adelphia HD PVR for the cable system. I do prefer the Dish system as the Cable box with the Moxi interface has a slow-but-pretty user interface. The capacity on the Adelphia unit seems .. a little light.

I'd move to the Dish HD PVR - but they only provide CBS in High Def. The cable system has NBC, CBS, ABC in HD so I'm a little hesitant to switch.

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Posted November 06 2004 - 06:29 PM

Bob, is the $5 p/mo Dish offer from Radio Shack a nation wide offer or just in your part of the country?
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#12 of 41 OFFLINE   EricRWem

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Posted November 07 2004 - 01:43 AM

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I guess people think that HD sat receivers with PIP capability and a 250 gb hard drive that can record HD should be a commodity already???

Ah, the righteous indignation of an audio/videophile. It's a beautiful thing. Posted Image

Is this an awesome piece of equipment? Yes. Does the audio/videophile in me want to buy it? Yes. Am I going to? NO!

This isn't a mass consumption, average Joe piece of equipment yet by a longshot. Most HD stuff still isn't, although overall, it is getting better and more affordable as time goes by.

You've already made my point for me: We aren't anywhere close yet to commodity land on a lot of HD items. It's moving in that direction slowly, but we're not there yet.

HD, as a whole, has yet to fully arrive.

I'll know HD has fully arrived when HD equipment and program packages cost what the standard stuff costs now. That's about all there is to it. That's the marker.

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Despite the fact that there are only 2 such models that I am aware of and you can count the number of PVR's that can record HD on one hand.

Supply and demand. Makes perfect sense. In this case, we're talking relatively low supply, and certainly low demand given the costs on a new technlogy. We're still in exclusive audio/videophile "Gotta have the best first and now!" land. Posted Image

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$1,000 is a fair price for this much technology

Did you write that with a straight face? Posted Image

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and $550 is an outright bargain.

Or this? Because I'll tell you: I sure couldn't keep a straight face reading it!

There are three words that can rarely be used with a straight face when discussing consumer electronics. I've seen all three of them in this thread:

"Fair", "Steal", and "bargain." Uh...no. Posted Image

Anyone who bought this thing at a grand is a sucker. Whether they know it, or care, or not. Period. The consumer electronics companies love people like this! And they're even more a sucker the day this thing dropped 50 percent in price.

The consumer electronics market thrives off of thinking and spending habits like this. This is how they keep getting away with overcharging on so many different things. Incredible.

By what possible standard do you gauge any of this to be "fair"?

I truly want to understand this concept, because fair is a word that I can rarely use in this marketplace as a whole.

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Wow, everyone is hard to please. $550 is a "steal".

Posted Image This one's even better. I was chuckling over the word fair, I'm rolling on the ground laughing with the word "steal."

I guess it is compared to a grand! LOL! What remarkable marketing conditioning.

You're kidding, right? Obviously I'm dealing with TWO very reasonable but nevertheless audio/videophiles! Posted Image

But it's just not reality.

I love these kinds of all encompassing, general, condescending statements.

The implication somehow being: "I must be a bloody fool not to want to blow $550 and think it's a bargain!" Posted Image Give me a break. It's downright laughable. I could argue otherwise with much greater ease. The burden is on your side to try and convince me how the words "fair" and "steal" apply. Good luck. Posted Image

These are all relative statements depending on how deep your pocket book is.

For videophiles and audiophiles who have to have the best now, come hell or high water, price is never an object anyways. $550 is a penny drop in the bucket to a lot of these people. There's no arguing or reason really invloved with that.

It's just something to add to the credit card as soon it comes out and be done with it without hesitation.

But for mere mortals, in the real world, who have bills to pay, $550 IS much better than a grand, yes, but what's that really mean? It still isn't cheap or affordable by any stretch of the imagination.

Example: The guy strolling in to Best Buy, bored, on a Sunday afternoon during halftime of the football game, isn't going to plunk down $550 and think it's a bargain. I gurantee it.

These are not average consumer prices. These are still 'phile prices. Posted Image

Renting or leasing is about the only way around this that I can see until the price drops another 50 percent or so down to Earth for the mass consumer.

Question: If you rent it or lease it, do you stop making $5 a month payments once you reach the $550 total? That's the only way that setup could be fair. Even I'd consider it at that rate.

There's plenty of people out there with the mentality I've just quoted here who will fork over $550 with a smile on their face thinking they're getting a bargain. This ultimately hurts the rest of the consumer base and assures a prolonging of inflated prices.

There's no incentive for the prices to drop at that rate. If I were in business, I'd milk the max price for as long as I could, too. Why not?

Some call it taking advantage of suckers, others call it good business. Maybe it's a bit of both. You decide what you call it. I know what I call it. Posted Image

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Posted November 07 2004 - 10:13 AM

EricRWem..
Wow, and you only had to edit this piece "9" times.
My question still stands to Bob McElfresh.
"is the $5 p/mo Dish offer from Radio Shack a nation wide offer or just in your part of the country?"!?!???!!????
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Posted November 07 2004 - 10:36 AM

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Wow, and you only had to edit this piece "9" times.

Well, I type fast and always have to correct dumb spelling errors. That, and I proofread several times to make sure the post make some kind of remotely coherent sense. Posted Image

I'd like to know about that $5 a month also, as that's the only way this becomes any kind of consideration for me.

Also, here's something I've wondered about a lot of rent/lease setups.

Using this as the example, if you pay $5 a month for 110 months, this equals the $550 current retail price.

Do you come to a point where, after you've reached that final figure, you no longer have to pay or do you simply pay into eternity? How does that work, exactly? For simply as long as you use the equipment? What happens when you decide you're done with the equipment?

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Posted November 07 2004 - 01:11 PM

I stopped by Radio Shack today...no luck there...at first I was looking for an OTA receiver, things are tough to find these days.

At first they look at each other when I ask for one, consult the third salesdroid and tell me there is no such thing as a OTA receiver...

At this point I left, no point in even asking about E*...

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Posted November 07 2004 - 01:29 PM

Eric, you paint a picture of a madman at the Mega Electronics Headquarters sorting his fortunes with a rake and a box of hefty bags. If there were such profits to be made don't you think every half-rate Chinese manufacturer would have a half-dozen models on the market by now?
The reality is that the group of consumers that you label as "suckers" are more accurately labeled as "early adopters" and it is these early adopters that absorb a bulk of the R&D costs of the best high tech goodies so that some day they will eventually become commodity goods. Without these early adopter type of consumers many technologies would never reach market or commodity status.
You may want to re-think your theory that it is the "sucker" group of consumers that keep prices on the latest and greatest artificially high. You may even want to thank this group for paying for the R&D costs on such technologies as DVD players so that you can now buy an adequate player for less than $100.
As for me, I'll get in line for a 921 to add to my Dish system as soon as I have enough money saved up.

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Posted November 07 2004 - 02:06 PM

EricRW,

your thoughts are very unique and I dont think they reflect in the slightest the average AV enthusiast.

What kind of gear are you using anyways?

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Posted November 08 2004 - 12:31 AM

I do feel foolish now thinking that the Dish PVR at $550 is a steal. I feel even more foolish spending more than that for the Dish 6000 HD receiver that didn't even record! And spending $1000 on my first DVD player, over $5000 for my first HD set, and over $1000 for a subwoofer, $3000 for speakers, etc. Granted, I've watched well over 1000 movies over the past 6 years on this equipment, but Eric opened my eyes on this absurd hobby of mine. I will make $99 my new price point on all new electronics. Thanks!

My point is that each person has their own threshold on return on investment. I saved up and bought a 50" Pioneer just a few months out of college for almost $3000. 7 years later, I was able to get a 65" set with much better capabilities for $5000 (around one third off list of $7400), a price I thought was a great deal at the time, so I decided to buy instead of wait for the inevitable price drops. I spent $1000 on my first DVD player because the Sony 7000 was the only first generation player to allow disabling macrovision and regional encoding, issues I was concerned with since I was use to having these capabilities with my laserdisc player.

Time shifting high def took the same process. Price, reliability, availability, competition, needs and wants. I was paying $40 per month just for the Dish HD content, but was only watching one or two movies and shows a week due to the limited time I have to watch TV (between 9pm and 11pm each night). $1000 spread out over a component life of say 8 years works out to $10 additional per month, to double or even triple my high def viewing, well worth the cost. At $550, yes, it is a steal at that price (IMO).

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Posted November 08 2004 - 02:16 AM

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Eric, you paint a picture of a madman at the Mega Electronics Headquarters sorting his fortunes with a rake and a box of hefty bags.

LOL! I like that… Posted Image

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If there were such profits to be made don't you think every half-rate Chinese manufacturer would have a half-dozen models on the market by now?

Well, in some cases, that’s not too far from the truth...Posted Image

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The reality is that the group of consumers that you label as "suckers" are more accurately labeled as "early adopters" and it is these early adopters that absorb a bulk of the R&D costs of the best high tech goodies so that some day they will eventually become commodity goods.

Absolutely true! And I’ve been guilty of this one more than one occasion myself! Probably going to be stupid enough to do it when Blu Ray and HD-DVD hit the market, despite my better judgement on the matter.

I underlined that term some day in your post because this one can vary quite considerably. If someone is waiting for a "more reasonable price" sometimes, they have to bite the bullet anyways, because "some day" can be a few years.

Some of what I wrote was meant kind of tongue-in-cheek, but I probably should have use more emoticons! Hence the 9 edits. I guess I didn’t convey that well enough.

Tongue-in-cheek: Some would consider the terms “sucker” and “early adopter” to be one in the same! The latter being a more politically correct and polite term. Posted Image Again, I've done it myself so all of my comments can be self-inclusive. Posted Image

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Without these early adopter type of consumers many technologies would never reach market or commodity status.


Yes.

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You may want to re-think your theory that it is the "sucker" group of consumers that keep prices on the latest and greatest artificially high. You may even want to thank this group for paying for the R&D costs on such technologies as DVD players so that you can now buy an adequate player for less than $100.

Of course. I’ll let the folks with the deep pocket books and no real object for budget (my beloved and fellow ‘philes) take the hits for me and then I can swoop in and pay reasonable costs. Posted Image Ah, the virtue of patience. Posted Image

If you think about it a bit, there's room to argue that point both ways.

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As for me, I'll get in line for a 921 to add to my Dish system as soon as I have enough money saved up.

More power to ya! Posted Image A rental probably would be the way I'd consider doing. I had a question about that two posts above that I hope someone can answer for me.

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EricRW,

Your thoughts are very unique and I don't think they reflect in the slightest the average AV enthusiast.

What kind of gear are you using anyways?

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HK 630 for my receiver, bought for $590 direct from HK as a refurb. Good as new, treated like a new product top to bottom. Perfect all the way!

The MSRP is about $1200, give or take? That's what it was when I made this move a few months ago. That's the kind of move I like to make! You can shop around and get them new for mid range $700's, which I would have felt really good about, but I lucked out on that auction. Posted Image I would have bought it new at that mid $700's price without hesitation otherwise.

www.htd.com level 4 combo Y speakers bought at an insane discount due to a friendly referral. Truly amazing speakers and a well kept secret. They're not well known. Yet. Posted Image

Zenith 318 for DVD’s and CD's currently. Saving up some money to buy something nice for all things audio, including high-rez audio. Sampled the Pioneer 578 for that, liked it, I might splurge and go a little higher, like the Denon 2900 or the Yamaha s2500. We'll see. I'm not going to blow a mint now when HD and Blu-Ray are essentially around the corner.

Then I'll get to A/B those with the Zenith and see if the Zenith survives at all. Posted Image

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I do feel foolish now thinking that the Dish PVR at $550 is a steal.

You said it, I didn't. Posted Image

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I feel even more foolish spending more than that for the Dish 6000 HD receiver that didn't even record!

Ditto. Posted Image

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And spending $1000 on my first DVD player, over $5000 for my first HD set, and over $1000 for a subwoofer, $3000 for speakers, etc.

Wow, are you done bragging yet? Posted Image I'm sorry, but what's your point?

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Granted, I've watched well over 1000 movies over the past 6 years on this equipment, but Eric opened my eyes on this absurd hobby of mine. I will make $99 my new price point on all new electronics. Thanks!

Posted Image I see bragging, elitism, condescension and...yeah, that's about it. Beyond that, I really see no point to this post whatsoever.

You know what they say, if the shoe fits, wear it. You said all that, I didn’t. Posted Image

Let's try this one more time and I'll let my sig link do the rest of the work for me.

You obviously missed me making that very obvious disclaimer about "These are all relative statements depending on how deep your pocket book is." to that point in my last post. It's a lone sentence that I have out all by itself. Pretty hard to miss, really. OF COURSE this is going to vary depending on your income and what you can afford!

Thanks for giving me a good morning chuckle with this rubbish.

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Posted November 08 2004 - 03:32 AM

Condescension? Did you read your own post? "Rolling on the floor laughing", "laughable", "sucker", "I couldn't keep a straight face"? All this at the mere thought that the Dish PVR is a great deal at $550.


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