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I had a base epiphany this weekend


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#1 of 27 OFFLINE   Brian Elwood

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Posted October 18 2004 - 03:35 AM

All my life I have wondered "how can I get that live concert sound in my house". I have purchased concert CD's and DVD and I could never get there. Was it the recordings that were stopping me? UNTIL Saturday Night. On VH1 (I think) there was the Simon & Garfunkel Live in Central Park Concert. I was laying in bed getting over some minor food poisoning from Arby's (different story) and on the small TV (33 inch Sony Flat screen)I stumbled across said concert. Sounded good. I wobbled to the living room where wife was randomly flipping channels. I grabbed the 4 remotes from her, turned on the concert, fired up the SVS 20-39PCi and . . . . .it happened. I was hearing a concert ON TV and it sounded like I was there. It was the bass. In the past I always got the boom boom boom of solid loud bass, but I had never heard the REST of the story, the REST of the base. I was in heaven.
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#2 of 27 OFFLINE   Brian L

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Posted October 18 2004 - 03:49 AM

FWIW, it has been my experience that the vast majority of concert DVD's that I own sound like crap. Not just in the bass, but in general. Sounds like S&G is a well done recording. While I do not own it, I have also read very good things about a James Taylor concert (I think its on DVD-A??). Lots of reviewers use that as reference material. Sorry but the actual title alludes me. Of the dozen or so concert DVD's I do own, the two best sounding are Alice in Chains "Unplugged" and Roger Waters "In the Flesh Live". BGL

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Posted October 18 2004 - 04:02 AM

i thought i was in heaven when i got to first base too. oh, wait...

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some concert DVDs have pretty weak recordings. i have a sting DVD that is one step away from the trash can.


alice in chains unplugged is excellent. try dave matthews listener supported (cd not dvd, but a live recording).

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Posted October 18 2004 - 04:05 AM

Brian - your post has me intrigued. 1. James Taylor is one of my wifes fav's (she met AND touched him (hand shake I think) after a concert once (when he had hair) Which DVD are you talking about??? 2. Roger Waters - I have ALWAYS wish Pink Floyd had a DVD. I sole my VHS concert tape (awesome tape) because I ASSUMED a DVD would come out. I have never heard of "In the Flesh". I think I'll have to go shopping tonight!
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#5 of 27 OFFLINE   Brian Elwood

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Posted October 18 2004 - 04:06 AM

oops - BASS! LOL damn spelling checker! hmmm - Dave Matthews - I always thought I would like him better live and the in a studio CD. ANOTHER purchase and NOW we are getting into a whole new thread. I think I'll start one somewhere.
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Posted October 18 2004 - 04:10 AM

pink floyd does have dvds pompeii? PULSE?
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Posted October 18 2004 - 04:17 AM

Brian, hehe the only way to listen to dave is live. there are three dave matthews CDs i recommend. live at luther college - awesome acoustic recording listener supported - great live sound live at the gorge - their classic live sound + a nice concert dvd

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Posted October 18 2004 - 05:03 AM

WOW - your right - $50 though!! Out of Print - Limited Edition!! What's up with that!!

I've seen PF live 7 times (They love Madison WI) including the 1st American presentation of Dark Side of the Moon (right here in Madison).

Here is a good thread for looking at concert DVD's http://www.hometheat....2/fpart/1/vc/1
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Posted October 18 2004 - 05:21 AM

I don't think P.U.L.S.E is out on DVD yet (although it is available on VHS). Live at Pompeii was finally released on DVD (mixed in DD 2.0). As far as concert DVDs go, I'd have to recommend "Rush in Rio" and "The Who -- Live at the Royal Albert Hall". I'll have to check out the AIC Unplugged DVD -- the CD is wonderful.

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Posted October 18 2004 - 06:36 AM

LOL! I was going to also mention Rush in Rio, but there is so much controversy about the SQ of that title, I thought it would derail the thread. Suffice to say that I consider it the most realistic concert disc out there, but a lot of users disagree. And the low end is formidable, right from the opening Taurus Bass Pedal drone at the beginning of Tom Sawyer.

Here is the Taylor disc (I think):

http://www.amazon.co....v=glance&s=dvd

Live at the Beacon Theater. The link is to the DVD-V, but I think it is also out on DVD-A.

As for Floyd, the consensus is that the best SQ of any live Floyd music is on In The Flesh Live. Obviously, its not Floyd, but Waters with a kick-ass band, but the sonics, playing, and even the picture quality are top shelf (it was shot in Hi-Def). I made an impulse buy on that one at my local Borders...$10 I think. A steal at twice the price!

The SQ on AIC is stunningly good. It may be an acoustic bass, but its a damn well recorded, solid acoustic bass. Serious low end on this one. I bought the CD, and when the DVD came out, jumped on that too.....very, very well done.

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Posted October 18 2004 - 06:55 AM

Pink Floyd PULSE
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Posted October 18 2004 - 07:36 AM

http://www.hometheat....49#post2424949

Guess we could get the mods to move the "Bass Epiphany" thread to the Music forum, then merge it with the one I linked to? Looks like we are all chatting about concert DVDs.

FWIW, in that thread there is another vote for JT at the Beacon Theater.

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Posted October 18 2004 - 08:04 AM

JT Beacon - on another forum is mentioned as "referance" material.
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Posted October 18 2004 - 08:13 AM

Allman Bros @ Beacon Theater Norah J Live @ New Orleans anyone know of good bethoven dvd'sw?

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Posted October 18 2004 - 01:21 PM

I have JT Live at Beacon Theater. The audio and video are both reference quality. Great concert too, if you like JT. Only problem is that it is in 4:3 aspect. Wish it was 16:9. JT looks a little fat when stretched ;-) Steve
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Posted October 18 2004 - 04:24 PM

herbie hancock's future 2 future

tabla beat science's Talamanam Sound Clash - Further Adventures in Hypercussion


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Posted October 18 2004 - 06:35 PM

:b I recently bought Diana Krall - Live in Paris DVD and I must say it sounds awesome, specially on DTS mode. I also have the AIC Unplugged DVD, which has some great solid drum beat. I need to check the DVD concerts that were mentioned above. BTW does anyone have or seen Pink Floyd's Dark Side On The Moon in DTS or SACD format?

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Posted October 19 2004 - 01:11 AM

the 30th anniversary edition of dark side of the moon has been available as a remastered hybrid sacd for quite some time

click HERE
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#19 of 27 OFFLINE   Brian L

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Posted October 19 2004 - 02:00 AM

Re: DSOTM on SACD...

As Scott said, its been out there and discussed to death. Not sure I recall seeing it in DTS. And at the risk of being banned from the ranch.....

While the music is considered sacred, I guess I am one of the few (the only one????) that do not consider it to reference quality audio. I see it listed frequently in the "Best Sounding Hi-Rez Disc" threads, but I just don't hear it. Its good, but not show off material unless the person receiving the demo is off a certain age and has DSOTM burned into their marrowPosted Image

Its surely a blast in 5.1, and the SACD is probably as good as you will ever hear, but it really does not make my jaw drop due to its sonics, the way certain other hi-rez titles do (Check out Big Phatt Band XXL, for an example of stunning sonics).

Obviously DSOTM is over 30 years old, so I should not really compare it to something recorded last year, but I find the mix to be a bit muddy in the bass/drums. Then again, there are other hi-rez titles of that era that put it to shame sonically, such as ELP, Yes, and Chicago. Solid bass/drums like you never knew existed on those titles.

Of course, YMMV, IMHO, AFAIC......

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Posted October 19 2004 - 02:27 AM

i'm with you 100% brianL. i bet there are others, too. it's a great "novelty" item, but if i'm trying to impress someone with my system, that's far from first choice.
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