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HTF REVIEW: Friday the 13th: From Crystal Lake to Manhattan



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#21 of 184 JonZ

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Posted September 26 2004 - 01:54 AM

"HDTV's are rapidly flooding the market place. As months go by, traditional tv's are becoming outdated and really wont be around in a few more years at all"

I remember saying it would take at least 10 years about 5 years ago. Im the only person I know with a HDTV. Its gonna take a bit longer than everyone thought. I cant see it happening until the day people can get a HDTV for $600 or less.

I just dont think average people are gonna pay more.

#22 of 184 Michael Elliott

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:28 AM

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But if I may quibble a bit, you might want to proofread your writing. "Diane" Kimmell? Steve "Minor"? JASON TAKES MANHATTAN being released in 1988? (it was '89).


You're gonna have to point these out because I don't see them.

As for TWITCH, whenever F13 does a scene with the exact same shots then yes, I'd call that more than just an accident. Perhaps you missed it or didn't watch closely enough but there's more than one murder that uses the exact camera shots and execution. I certainly wouldn't call it a homage since neither director said anything about it until people called them on it.

"Rip off" could be a strong word but Cunningham and Miner never said anything about a homage in their films so that makes me feel they didn't think anyone would notice the simularities and no one did for many years until Bava started to gain more fame in America. Other horror films of that era also borrowed A LOT from Euro films but nothing was ever said because no one seeing these films saw those Euro thrillers.

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:43 AM

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#24 of 184 Michael Elliott

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:45 AM

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#25 of 184 Adam Tyner

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Posted September 26 2004 - 08:22 AM

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I cant see it happening until the day people can get a HDTV for $600 or less.
'cept you can get an HDTV for under $600 today. Best Buy carries two -- the Panasonic CT-27HL14 for $520.99 and the Advent HT2751A for $378.99. Circuit City has the Magnavox 27MS5402 for $499.99, the Philips 27PT8302 for $549.99, the Panasonic CT-27HL14 for $549.99, and the Philips 26PW8402 for $549.99. None of those are particularly massive screens, sure, but they're still HDTVs.

#26 of 184 Rich Romero

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Posted September 26 2004 - 08:29 AM

I forgot to mention in my last post what an awesome review this was. Thanks Michael.
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#27 of 184 Matt Stone

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Posted September 26 2004 - 09:14 AM

Great review, Michael.

I won't be buying the set (no job, no money Posted Image), but I will be renting the bonus disc.
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Posted September 26 2004 - 01:27 PM

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No one, outside the fans will ever understand the appeal of these films
I certainly don't understand the appeal of them, but it's a great review anyway, and you're obviously very passionate about the films. I did think Part 1 was just average, Part 2 was slightly better (I also preferred the potato-sack mask) with an incoherent ending, and Part 3 was bloody awful - the ending was laughable, and several of the deaths were recycled from Part 1.

But I hope you guys enjoy the set...
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Posted September 26 2004 - 01:50 PM

I think 4 is the best of the series, but I'm a closet fan of 3. It's not that bad Posted Image

5's good too, though a lot of fans hate that one because of the
fake Jason.

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#30 of 184 Ryan Wishton

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Posted September 26 2004 - 02:37 PM

Am I the only one who thought Part 5 really seemed like a softcore porn flick? I mean it just had a trashy feel to it in that way to me. Even the look to me.

Imagine my surprise discovering most of the nudity was cut? Beaver shots, breast shots, inbetween the legs shots. What would they be getting themselves into? I thought the movie had the most nudity already.

Then again. I guess those things happen when your director specialized in making porn movies.

Part 6 then went on to have no nudity whatsoever in the entire movie.

I think Part 6 was before it's time though. Self referential humor? No nudity? It was like the F13 of the Scream generation, but came out 10 years too soon.

April Fools Day is the other movie that seems more suited to the Scream generation, but came out before it's time.

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Posted September 26 2004 - 04:02 PM

Jason is my personal favorite slasher so this set is a must in my collection - thanks for the great review! So, this set contains all the Jason films except for Jason X and Freddy vs. Jason, right?

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Posted September 26 2004 - 04:09 PM

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So, this set contains all the Jason films except for Jason X and Freddy vs. Jason, right?

It doesn't inlcude those two, or Jason Goes to Hell.

On another note, I agree that 3 isn't that bad. In fact, I like it very much, and its one of my favorites of the series. My favorites are 4 and 5 (very underrated), followed by 3 and the original.

#33 of 184 Matt Thompson

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Posted September 26 2004 - 05:23 PM

Nice review. If I have any extra cash, I might pick it up. I generally find Jason's films boring, but there's two or three that I like to sit through. I just don't think that, in terms of characters or story (ironic considering the slasher genre, eh?), Friday the 13th compares to Halloween or A Nightmare On Elm Street.

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:06 PM

I'm on the fence. I'd love to get this but I know that if I do there will be another more complete set within a year and this isn't something I'd double dip on.

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:16 PM

fyi - INHD (a cable HD-only channel) showed PART 3 in full HD glory a few nights ago. 2.35:1, nice looking print, although far blurrier than your average HD transfer because of the 3-d shooting process.

#36 of 184 Ryan Wishton

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:46 PM

Matt,

That is true. But, I dont know if it should count when the later stories in all three series were generally dreadful and some of the worst ideas anyone could possibly come up with for these series?

What were these script writers smoking?

When the stories were simplistic is when they worked the most IMO.

I am probably the only one who still thinks good stories could have been written for all 3 with some thought and a good writer/writers. A few fan scripts I have read have been so much better than some of the ideas given the Greenlight. Yet, they dont even get the chance to show their ideas to the studios.

I like the original environments of all three. All of which have become pop culture references.

For example, I would have much preferred to see Peter Jacksons Elm Street 6 than the one we got. The script was way over the top, but was more entertaining in general.

Michael Myers - Terrifying figure who was originally an escaped mental patient. This really added to his character IMO because it made him creepier with no motive.

What happens? Poor Mikey is all the sudden part of a cult and has family members all over the place. I thought the stories in 1-4 were all passible for what they where, but once they started with all the cult nonsense and having Michael do battle with Busta Rhymes, it just became horrible.

The funny thing is while Halloween is the technically the better made movie, I think it actually has about as much of a plot (maybe even a little less) than the first F13. Black Christmas & Psycho both had more of a plot even though both were pretty simplistic as well.

Freddy Krueger - By far, the most original idea for the time. An idea that is really open and much can be done with if done correctly. Once again an original scary character. I mean if the original Elm Street was the only one, Fred would be looked at in a completely different way. 1-4 all stayed to the basic plot for the most part though Freddy did become more comical as we went on.

What happens? All the sudden he has a Dream Child, a missing daughter that never existed before this, likes to play Super Mario Bros. and is then said to not exist at all by 1994. All the sudden, he exists once again and likes practicing Kung FU as we find out in FVJ.

Jason Voorhees - The worst treated of the three. Originally a country bumpkin who only wanted revenge for his mothers death. Studios tend to like to send Jason on vacations. I mean the poor guy has not only been sent to Manhatten (well it was the original idea anyways) and Space. But, he has also been turned into a zombie, takes a ride on a cruise ship, fights psychics. All of the sudden becomes a Hell Worm, then a Power Rangers Robot, and then is sent to Elm Street to fight with Kung Fu champ of 2003 Mr. Freddy Krueger. He also has a habit of growing in size between each movie.

All three started off as simplistic slashers who were evil in their ways. Now, we have no idea what they are possibly heading.

Freddy and Jason will most likely stay together to fight other characters such as Ash and the Easter Bunny.

Strange they never did have a killer Easter Bunny when I think of it.

Michael will be off to confront IcePop or whoever the current rapper is of the day.

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:48 PM

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The 3D effects of movies like these (Amityville 3D, Jaws 3D, F13 3D) will not even work on HDTV's I believe. At least this is what I have been hearing unless it's false info.
That's not quite true, Ryan. The current implementation of field-sequential DVDs doesn't work on many HDTV's, because they don't maintain the individual fields as separate images -- instead, they merge successive fields into a single image. I think a new implementation could be done specifically for HDTV.

#38 of 184 Ryan Wishton

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Posted September 26 2004 - 06:56 PM

Joe S,

Well, thats very good news then. I wouldnt mind seeing several previous 3D films in 3D just to see them.

Maybe some day they will be released by someone when this happens.

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Posted September 26 2004 - 11:36 PM

I hate taking this thread off topic, but what is the deal with Kevin Bacon?

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Posted September 27 2004 - 12:32 AM

"What happens? Poor Mikey is all the sudden part of a cult and has family members all over the place. I thought the stories in 1-4 were all passible for what they where..."

Im my mind, he died in part 2. I dont even ackowledge the others existance.


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