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New Denon AVR 5805 with 10.3 channels! plus Denon new lineup of DVD players.


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#1 of 51 Octavio

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Posted July 13 2004 - 07:39 AM

Folks: I just read Denon Pre-CEDIA Press Conference at the following website:

http://www.hometheat...i.com/main.html

They say Flagship Receiver AVR-5805 will be out in October and will feature 10.3 channel (10 amplifiers). I couldn´t believe it. Read it for yourself, and tell me I'm not getting crazy.

Also, a new lineup of DVD players (some of them with HDMI output) is announced.

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#2 of 51 Yogi

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Posted July 13 2004 - 08:06 AM

That does sound scary. Where will we put the 10 speakers and all those subs. Before anyone can buy those flagships they will have to double their incomes to afford double sized homes so their current HT rooms don't end up looking like dealers rooms with a dozen speakersPosted Image. Makes so much sense for me to be going back to plain old stereo. Now I can feel good about putting all the money for those extra dozen speakers and that 6K flagship into buying bigger tube ampsPosted Image.
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#3 of 51 BrianAe

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Posted July 13 2004 - 08:31 AM

The scary thing about this press release is the amazing price to performance they will be offering on their new line. Look at the 1905, it will be 7.1 with PLIIx for a MSRP of 499!

Here is a link right to the info:http://www.hometheat....ce-7-2004.html

#4 of 51 ernie.bin

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Posted July 13 2004 - 08:41 AM

wow!

they look quite short. could this be the digital amplifier lineup hinted at by denon earlier?

the numbering system change is quite dramatic, hinting at this too.

#5 of 51 Kevin Alexander

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Posted July 13 2004 - 08:45 AM

Rediculous. Really. I hope they only sell 2...to Denon employees on discount.
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Posted July 13 2004 - 10:49 AM

WOW. Now I'm glad I held off on the 5900. 3910 here I come. Posted Image

#7 of 51 George Caronan

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Posted July 13 2004 - 11:13 AM

10.3 amps? Hmmm...how does that configure? Let's see.

2 Mains
2 Centers
2 Surround
2 Surround backs
2 Effects channels [like Yamaha (?)] behind mains or overhead or between the mains and the surrounds to accentuate front to back panning
.1 Sub [mono]
.1 x 2 Sub [stereo mode]

That is an insane wall of sound. For $6K? Damn....


#8 of 51 Wayne Ernst

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Posted July 13 2004 - 11:48 AM

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10.3 amps? Hmmm...how does that configure? Let's see.

2 Mains
2 Centers
2 Surround
2 Surround backs
2 Effects channels [like Yamaha (?)] behind mains or overhead or between the mains and the surrounds to accentuate front to back panning
.1 Sub [mono]
.1 x 2 Sub [stereo mode]

That is an insane wall of sound. For $6K? Damn....


I'm just wondering if they have the room to put pre-outs on the receiver for all these channels? If so, this beast would make a killer pre/pro.
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#9 of 51 John Garcia

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Posted July 13 2004 - 12:25 PM

90lbs for the 5805! Holy hernia batman...

I'd say some of those amp channels might just be configurable for bi-amping Posted Image

Now I will have to decide between the 2910 and 3910...
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#10 of 51 George Caronan

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Posted July 13 2004 - 12:31 PM

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I'm just wondering if they have the room to put pre-outs on the receiver for all these channels? If so, this beast would make a killer pre/pro.


That is an interesting premise. Yes it would make it a great pre/pro in its own right. Somehow, I'm almost sure that it will include pre-outs for all channels. I am looking forward to seeing what the separates will look like.


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Posted July 13 2004 - 01:46 PM

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I'm just wondering if they have the room to put pre-outs on the receiver for all these channels? If so, this beast would make a killer pre/pro.


Don't forget that this thing is 12 inches tall which means the backplane will be huge. I suspect they will have an abundance of ins-and-outs available.

However, others are saying that the 4805 and 5805 are delayed until CES rather than October. I really would like to know the pricing and feature set on the 4805.

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#12 of 51 Wayne Ernst

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Posted July 13 2004 - 05:17 PM

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Don't forget that this thing is 12 inches tall which means the backplane will be huge. I suspect they will have an abundance of ins-and-outs available.

I see this as a major move on Denon's part to unseat the Yamaha Z9 as one of the current kings of the flagship receiver group.
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#13 of 51 Phil_O

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Posted July 13 2004 - 05:22 PM

that's the biggest damn receiver ever!! What do you do with 10 channels???
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Posted July 13 2004 - 05:30 PM

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I see this as a major move on Denon's part to unseat the Yamaha Z9 as one of the current kings of the flagship receiver group.


It seems that there is a major game of king-of-the-hill in play between a number of companies. These companies" flagship no doubt bring the acclaim which leads to sales of their lower price offerings.

I think it also reflects a bit of a change in mindset: super-receivers are seen as sensible solution for many who simply don't have the room for separates. Or they are a good initial first purchase for someone concerned with putting together his first system without the need to understand all the ins-and-outs of an actual separates system. Build it, package it and it will sell.

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Posted July 13 2004 - 05:53 PM

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super-receivers are seen as sensible solution for many who simply don't have the room for separates.

Don't have the room? Heck, a 12" receiver is almost the same height as two average components Posted Image I do think there is a market for "super receivers" though, but at those prices, and size, I'd still opt for the higher quality of a separate amp and pre/pro, each dedicated to what it does best. Based on the size of the 5805, it is probably the closest thing to separates in one chassis right now.
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Posted July 13 2004 - 05:59 PM

Nearly the same height but you try stacking that pre-pro atop the amp or (shudder) placing that heavy amp on top of the pre=pro. Personally, I hope to work my way up to separates using a decent receiver as a starting point.

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#17 of 51 Shane Martin

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Posted July 14 2004 - 12:55 AM

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that's the biggest damn receiver ever!! What do you do with 10 channels???
Multiroom. I would suspect that they are offering powered zones on top of the amp section for a typical 7.1 HT setup.
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Now I will have to decide between the 2910 and 3910..
The 3910 is supposed to be a 5900 that is upgraded and cheaper. This makes me wonder what they improved on the 5900 to give it that 5910 nomenclature.
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I really would like to know the pricing and feature set on the 4805.
I would too. This is the piece that interests me the most. I can't fathom spending $6k on the Denon 5805 right now.

#18 of 51 John Kotches

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Posted July 14 2004 - 01:15 AM

Shane,

Assuming the DSP horsepower is in place, one could run two independent 5.1 zones from a single 5805. I don't have enough specifics to say if this is the case.

It certainly makes sense to me though, being able to run 2x 5.1 setups simultaneously.

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Posted July 14 2004 - 05:23 AM

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The 3910 is supposed to be a 5900 that is upgraded and cheaper.

I'm sure it is not the same as a 5900 - may be a slightly stripped down version in the same chassis, but I doubt they would put out a player that was better than the 5900 under a year after it was released, for $800 LESS, because all the 5900 owners would be PISSED (I know I would be), not to mention the 5900 will still be on the market. The 3910 sounds more appealing, but the 2200 I have now has been doing just fine for me, primarilly for video (already have an SACD player). I have also been waiting to see what they would release to replace the 2900...Posted Image
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#20 of 51 Octavio

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Posted July 14 2004 - 05:59 AM

I have also been waiting to see what they would release to replace the 2900


John:

I think the replace is 2910. Question is: what they would release to replace 2200 model? I've been waiting to see if Denon release a replace for 2200 that includes Denon Link to match it with my AVR 3805.

Octavio


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