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#1 of 62 Kincade

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:32 AM

I'm hoping some of you can help me out with a few choices. I've decided to sell my 1 month old AVR7200 and go with the pre-pro route. I'm getting a little confused though, looking through all these choices - I can't figure out from the mfr's webpages what exactly some of these have???

My criteria is the following:

-2 channel music is VERY important. I have a Jolida tube CDP that I don't want to mess up. ;-)

-7.1. I already have the speakers, so I'd like to be able to use them.

-DPLIIx. I've gotten so used to watching regular tv and non DD/DTS movies in Logic7, that I don't think I can do without a surround mode for 2 channel.

-Multichannel music. Just bought a Denon 2900, mostly to have good SACD/DVD-A music. I believe I need an analog passthru for this?

-Crossover settings. I have full range mains, but everything else needs to be crossed over higher... This is probably less important than the others

Budget is $1-2k, although I'd obviously rather fall in at the lower end. Posted Image

Here's what seems to fall within my range:

*Anthem AVM20

*EAD Encore/Ovation/8000pro (latter of which seems to cost too much for my budget)

*B&K ref 30/50

*Aragon soundstage/stage 1

*Sunfire theater grand I/II, III seems to be too expensive

*Sherwood P965

*Rotel RSP-1068

*Outlaw 950

Arcam / Krell / Bryston all seem to be beyond my price range.

So, can anyone give me a push in the right direction? Most of those listed are not available locally, so demoing all but the Rotel is out of the question.
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#2 of 62 Mike SJ

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:45 AM

wow, selling your receiver after 1 month? what was the problem? does it not DO it sonically? What amps do you have? or do you have to buy those too?

I am really interested in knowing why you are getting rid of the receiver cause I am about to upgrade to a receiver and have the pre-outs go to my existing amps, and have the surrounds feed from the receiver.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:50 AM

Mike,

Actually, there is NO problem. The receiver was a BIG step up from the avr525, sonically; It's much more effortless, and seems to be much tighter in the low range. I do not have outboard amps right now; everything is powered by the receiver.

I just really want to go with a pre-pro, after hearing a few really good ones lately. For me, i'd rather sell this receiver with the 5 year warranty to someone for a song and try something different. I've had 3 different HK's, and loved them all.
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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:54 AM

ill buy it for a song Posted Image!

if your budget is 1k-2k for amps/pre-pro, think again, but if its only a budget for pre, then thats ok.

I have read great reviews of the sherwood though, try searching HTF for the posts.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:58 AM

Nah, $1-2k for the pre/pro. Amps on top of that.

I think I can get decent amps less expensively than the pre/pro...
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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:59 AM

so how much are you selling avr for? how sweet is the song?

PM me if you want

http://www.midiland.....r=60&category=

that's what i am currently using. $130!!!
so im on the low low low low low low low low end of pre-pro's. Im upgrading cause Im getting into multi channel sound and need analog ins. but as you can see, im a bit $ consious Posted Image

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Posted June 23 2004 - 10:49 AM

Why not hang on to that rather nice, loaded receiver... and throw your $1-2k at a dedicated 2-ch integrated amp (or pre + power separates) with a HT bypass.

Sounds like your biggest concern is optimizing your 2-ch music.

$1-2k will keep you at the lower end of pre/pro's, while the same amount will get you a considerable 2-ch analog rig... and a lot more choices... also check Audiogon for possibly even better values.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 11:16 AM

I bought a B-stock Halo C2 for about 2K, it should everything and more though DPL2x hasn't been added yet, but be aware that DPL2x only works with 7.1 speaker setup. The sonics of the Halo absolutely blew me away, I have never heard a better sounding Processor, and it has 3 programmable channels with their own crossover and time delay which allows it to do some things many others cannot. So it’s really a 7.5 ch Pre/Pro and the signal is so clean that my same sub’s and amps that used to clip during cretin loud passages don’t anymore, in fact I cant get the subs to clip or bottom out at all now.

Oh, and it has a very clean analog direct mode.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 03:43 PM

I sent you a PM Kincaid.
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Posted June 24 2004 - 08:31 AM

i second greg's recommendation about getting a good dedicated two channel pre / integrated. i recently sold my soundstage and purchased an audio research sp-16l tubed pre for two channel and a denon 3805 for home theater. by the way, if 7.1 is an interest you can count out the aragon soundstage and the ead encore / ovation as these are only 5.1. granted the ead is upgradeable, but that's more $$$.

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Posted June 24 2004 - 12:05 PM

I'm partial to EAD (owning an Ovation+) and you will be hard pressed to find a better 2-channel pre/pro that excels at HT too.

Problem lies in finding a used one in good shape and well cared for by someone. If you find a used O+, then it could run you between 1600-2000.
Just a stellar unit and if 5:1 is OK with you, then you will be delighted with the sonics.

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Posted June 24 2004 - 03:05 PM

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so how much are you selling avr for? how sweet is the song?

PM me if you want


Mike - I don't really know yet what i'll be selling it for. I paid $850 w/ a 5 year transferable warranty; which IMHO was a STEAL, considering it sold for $2000 a few months ago. I won't be selling it until I find another option though.

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Why not hang on to that rather nice, loaded receiver... and throw your $1-2k at a dedicated 2-ch integrated amp (or pre + power separates) with a HT bypass.

Sounds like your biggest concern is optimizing your 2-ch music.

$1-2k will keep you at the lower end of pre/pro's, while the same amount will get you a considerable 2-ch analog rig... and a lot more choices... also check Audiogon for possibly even better values.


Greg - I thought about that route too. I dunno - I just thought my money might go farther sinking it into a dual-purpose right that will do both, rather than spend $2k on a 2 channel , and another $2500 on a HT/multichannel rig. I have been watching audigon pretty closely, but I really don't know my high end gear very well. ;-) The closest I can come to demoing here is Rotel.

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I bought a B-stock Halo C2 for about 2K, it should everything and more though DPL2x hasn't been added yet, but be aware that DPL2x only works with 7.1 speaker setup. The sonics of the Halo absolutely blew me away, I have never heard a better sounding Processor, and it has 3 programmable channels with their own crossover and time delay which allows it to do some things many others cannot. So it’s really a 7.5 ch Pre/Pro and the signal is so clean that my same sub’s and amps that used to clip during cretin loud passages don’t anymore, in fact I cant get the subs to clip or bottom out at all now.


Mike - that's a great deal on that C2. I havent seen any for less than $2500 or so. I already have a 7.1 speaker setup, so that's not a problem. However, I read a thread on avsforum that says it'll work w/ 5.1 too - that it's ok with that. Not sure though. What amps do you run?

Gene - I'll pm you back.

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i second greg's recommendation about getting a good dedicated two channel pre / integrated. i recently sold my soundstage and purchased an audio research sp-16l tubed pre for two channel and a denon 3805 for home theater. by the way, if 7.1 is an interest you can count out the aragon soundstage and the ead encore / ovation as these are only 5.1. granted the ead is upgradeable, but that's more $$$.


Kevin - I'm really stuck on the fence. I don't have a lot of room for 2 different rigs, and the WAF is high here - it's gotta look decent. What do you suggest for a good 2 channel rig? I was thinking a creek obh-12 for now w/ a good 2 channel amp...

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I'm partial to EAD (owning an Ovation+) and you will be hard pressed to find a better 2-channel pre/pro that excels at HT too.


Thanks Brian. So it's only 5.1 then? Is it upgradeable to 7.1? I've heard a lot of good stuff about that receiver.

So it looks like the encore/ovation and the soundstage are out of the running.

Are there any of the receivers below that meet my criteria?

*Anthem AVM20

*EAD Encore/Ovation/8000pro (latter of which seems to cost too much for my budget)

*B&K ref 30/50

*Aragon soundstage /stage 1

*Sunfire theater grand I/II, III seems to be too expensive

*Sherwood P965

*Rotel RSP-1068

*Outlaw 950

Thanks to all of you for your help so far! Please keep it coming! Posted Image
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Posted June 24 2004 - 03:29 PM

FWIW, I am very happy with my Sherwood/Newcastle P-965, and would be happy to try and answer any questions you might have.
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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:32 AM

I'm hoping some of you can help me out with a few choices. I've decided to sell my 1 month old AVR7200 and go with the pre-pro route. I'm getting a little confused though, looking through all these choices - I can't figure out from the mfr's webpages what exactly some of these have???

My criteria is the following:

-2 channel music is VERY important. I have a Jolida tube CDP that I don't want to mess up. ;-)

-7.1. I already have the speakers, so I'd like to be able to use them.

-DPLIIx. I've gotten so used to watching regular tv and non DD/DTS movies in Logic7, that I don't think I can do without a surround mode for 2 channel.

-Multichannel music. Just bought a Denon 2900, mostly to have good SACD/DVD-A music. I believe I need an analog passthru for this?

-Crossover settings. I have full range mains, but everything else needs to be crossed over higher... This is probably less important than the others

Budget is $1-2k, although I'd obviously rather fall in at the lower end. Posted Image

Here's what seems to fall within my range:

*Anthem AVM20

*EAD Encore/Ovation/8000pro (latter of which seems to cost too much for my budget)

*B&K ref 30/50

*Aragon soundstage/stage 1

*Sunfire theater grand I/II, III seems to be too expensive

*Sherwood P965

*Rotel RSP-1068

*Outlaw 950

Arcam / Krell / Bryston all seem to be beyond my price range.

So, can anyone give me a push in the right direction? Most of those listed are not available locally, so demoing all but the Rotel is out of the question.
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Thanks in advance!
-kb

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:45 AM

wow, selling your receiver after 1 month? what was the problem? does it not DO it sonically? What amps do you have? or do you have to buy those too?

I am really interested in knowing why you are getting rid of the receiver cause I am about to upgrade to a receiver and have the pre-outs go to my existing amps, and have the surrounds feed from the receiver.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:50 AM

Mike,

Actually, there is NO problem. The receiver was a BIG step up from the avr525, sonically; It's much more effortless, and seems to be much tighter in the low range. I do not have outboard amps right now; everything is powered by the receiver.

I just really want to go with a pre-pro, after hearing a few really good ones lately. For me, i'd rather sell this receiver with the 5 year warranty to someone for a song and try something different. I've had 3 different HK's, and loved them all.
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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:54 AM

ill buy it for a song Posted Image!

if your budget is 1k-2k for amps/pre-pro, think again, but if its only a budget for pre, then thats ok.

I have read great reviews of the sherwood though, try searching HTF for the posts.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:58 AM

Nah, $1-2k for the pre/pro. Amps on top of that.

I think I can get decent amps less expensively than the pre/pro...
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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:59 AM

so how much are you selling avr for? how sweet is the song?

PM me if you want

http://www.midiland.....r=60&category=

that's what i am currently using. $130!!!
so im on the low low low low low low low low end of pre-pro's. Im upgrading cause Im getting into multi channel sound and need analog ins. but as you can see, im a bit $ consious Posted Image

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Posted June 23 2004 - 10:49 AM

Why not hang on to that rather nice, loaded receiver... and throw your $1-2k at a dedicated 2-ch integrated amp (or pre + power separates) with a HT bypass.

Sounds like your biggest concern is optimizing your 2-ch music.

$1-2k will keep you at the lower end of pre/pro's, while the same amount will get you a considerable 2-ch analog rig... and a lot more choices... also check Audiogon for possibly even better values.


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