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#21 of 97 OFFLINE   Rex Bachmann

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Posted June 22 2004 - 08:56 AM

Jason Birzer wrote (post #12):

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Well, I take this news with a grain of salt, not because I don't think it is true, because I do think so, but because all this seems to be is a pitch for a show.

It doesn't mean 1) that JMS is going to run the show . . . .

I, for one, never thought that any of this meant he would run a Trek show from day to day. He's far too busy, it seems, with his many other projects for that. But I have zero trouble believing that Paramount executives would approach him to write "treatments" for future Trek series. After all, they probably also have their eyes on Babylon Five's DVD sales figures.

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#22 of 97 OFFLINE   Michael St. Clair

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Posted June 21 2004 - 06:30 AM

I think 3 years off would suffice but I don't think Paramount will do it.

#23 of 97 OFFLINE   Rex Bachmann

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Posted June 21 2004 - 06:51 AM

Michael St. Clair wrote (post #4):

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I think 3 years off would suffice but I don't think Paramount will do it.

As I've been saying for some time now, it is the studio's "Franchise", it's biggest, perennially steadiest "cash cow". Nobody should be surprised at the likelihood of any of these rumors. They're not going to just let it go quietly into the night. I see every reason to believe they'll wreck it before they'll let it go.

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#24 of 97 OFFLINE   Michael St. Clair

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Posted June 21 2004 - 07:16 AM

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I see every reason to believe they'll wreck it before they'll let it go.


Yep, that's exactly why I don't forsee a franchise haitus.

'Enterprise' (and 'Voyager') are not enough to scare Paramount into retiring their biggest franchise.

#25 of 97 OFFLINE   Eric_Connelly

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Posted June 21 2004 - 08:01 AM

Why does it need to go away?

If they do a good enough show then time away doesn't matter.

For those who like Sci Fi there isn't nearly enough good stuff on TV, if the new show is good, then people will watch it, hiatus or not.

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Posted June 21 2004 - 08:19 AM

I agree with Trek not needing to go away to be revived. I stopped watching Enterprise after the season 3 opener but I would definatley watch the series premier of a new series. If that new series revives the Trek franchise, does it really matter how many years have passed (if any) between it and Enterprise? Waiting three or four years will not make anyone forget Voyager or Enterprise. Putting out a better show will. The only problem would be if they're competing against one another and the new show is light years ahead of Enterprise.

As for Straczynski, I haven't seen Babylon 5 so I can't really comment although it's sad to say that I have more faith in him than I do B&B.

#27 of 97 OFFLINE   Jack Briggs

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Posted June 21 2004 - 10:31 AM

Unfortunately for Paramount, John, is the simple fact that people simply are tired of Star Trek, period.

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Posted June 21 2004 - 02:29 PM

I'd be on board for a Straczynski/Zabel Trek, but though I think bringing in a big name or two is the right thing for Paramount to do, I think they need to make a bigger splash - who aside from the nerds knows from Straczynski? I suppose you can publicize it as "the creator of Babylon 5".

As Rex says, Star Trek isn't going away. It makes Paramount $200M/year, which even in Hollywood terms is real money. Seeing that the revenue is dropping, the studio basically has three options:

(1) Retreat, and watch that revenue stream dry up fast when Trek stops being current. Unlikely.

(2) Be conservative, continuing the Berman stewardship and watching the stream slowly dry up. I gather they're getting tired of that, and I wouldn't be surprised if DS9/Voyager DVD sales were a warning that the future wasn't guaranteed.

(3) Be bold, making an effort to make Star Trek mainstream again. If Trek gets back to its TNG level of popularity, it could pull in half a billion dollars a year with the new revenue streams.

I don't buy the argument that "people simply are tired of Star Trek, period." As Jack knows, I never have. People are tired of mediocre-to-bad Star Trek, which is pretty much what we've been fed the past five years (more, if you're among the crowd who missed DS9), so it's pretty easy to misdiagnose the problem.
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Posted June 21 2004 - 05:02 PM

I agree Mediocre or Bad Trek Television and Movies haved soured the public more than anything else. If a series came along that forged the future while still embracing and honoring the past I think the fans (and there are alot of them) will flock to see it. If People were tired of Trek then the DVD sets would'nt be big sellers, Paramount would'nt be rereleasing TOS or thinking about releasing the animated shows.
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Posted June 22 2004 - 03:12 AM

Well, I take this news with a grain of salt, not because I don't think it is true, because I do think so, but because all this seems to be is a pitch for a show.

It doesn't mean 1) that JMS is going to run the show 2) that the concept will survive intact (As what has happened to the last two shows.)

It will take more than this to convince me.

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Posted June 22 2004 - 03:38 AM

Star Trek doesn't need to "go away" for awhile. If some people are claiming to be tired of it are they *really* going to come back if something else shows up?

People change, tastes change and maybe they're tired of Trek, period.

To me, a good show is a good show and there are precious few these days.

I enjoyed STNG, DS9, thought Voyager was a bit weak, and am enjoying Enterprise.
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Posted June 22 2004 - 04:05 AM

geez that article was longer than the post!

Here's the actual post.
http://www.jmsnews.c...aspx?id=1-17113
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>Manny Coto is, I believe, show runner; not EP.

No, just to clarify, though I got a call last year about coming onto
Enterprise, offering an EP position, and declined, the series I mentioned has
nothing to do with any current series, it's a new show. As for Manny, he's a
good writer, and left to his own devices, I think he could be a big help over
there without the other powers that be impeding the process.

Amusingly enough, on the Trek front, Bryce Zabel (the creator of Dark Skies)
and I got together and wrote a treatment earlier this year that specified how
to save ST and develop a series that would restore the series in a big way. I
actually think it could be a hell of a show. Whether that ever goes anywhere
with Paramount, who knows?

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people are playing it up for news sake I think.

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Posted June 22 2004 - 04:06 AM

I've long wondered what my own attitude would have been had Star Trek maintained the consistently good-to-excellent level it maintained during the glory days of the TNG/DS9 era. Really. Had neither Voyager nor Enterprise come along, had Berman and Braga moved on to other things (the way most people do), had new things been tried, had a genuine SF influence taken hold, and on and on.

Really.

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Posted June 22 2004 - 04:47 AM

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Why does it need to go away?


Because a lot of damage has been done and I dont think you will get people back.

Note to Paramount. How about creating a new show to make money?

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Posted June 22 2004 - 08:46 AM

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I've long wondered what my own attitude would have been had Star Trek maintained the consistently good-to-excellent level it maintained during the glory days of the TNG/DS9 era.


The question is, could they keep it up? The odds are usually against it. I think the decent of Trek was unavoidable, considering how long it has gone on without a break.

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Posted June 22 2004 - 08:56 AM

Jason Birzer wrote (post #12):

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Well, I take this news with a grain of salt, not because I don't think it is true, because I do think so, but because all this seems to be is a pitch for a show.

It doesn't mean 1) that JMS is going to run the show . . . .

I, for one, never thought that any of this meant he would run a Trek show from day to day. He's far too busy, it seems, with his many other projects for that. But I have zero trouble believing that Paramount executives would approach him to write "treatments" for future Trek series. After all, they probably also have their eyes on Babylon Five's DVD sales figures.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 04:28 AM

So is this the big announcement of the project JMS was doing?
If it is, its a disappointment.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 04:30 AM

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I, for one, never thought that any of this meant he would run a Trek show from day to day.


Nor do I, but the way this story has gotten blown up may give the impression that he might to some. Personally, I can't see him doing it, since it would be so...limiting for him.

I guess I blame the sites which have blown what seems to be a non-story into something more than that.

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Posted June 23 2004 - 04:51 AM

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So is this the big announcement of the project JMS was doing?
If it is, its a disappointment.

It seems certain that this is not his big announcement. If you'll read Nigel's post #14 of what JMS said in his own words, he just mentioned nonchalantly that he and Bryce Zabel wrote a treatment for Star Trek. That's all.
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#40 of 97 OFFLINE   Nigel McN

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Posted June 23 2004 - 07:21 AM

And the playing it up was precisely what I was refering to it appears to have gotten back to JMS because he posted a follow to clarify:

http://www.jmsnews.c...aspx?id=1-17119
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There's some misinterpretations of what I said going around...so let's address
them.

>Well - the now verified (from the horse's mouth, so to speak) fact
>that JMS WAS approached on the possibility of taking the reins of Star
>Trek: Enterprise (and wisely turned that down - gag, hack, hack)

Nope. I said that Paramount approached me about coming on board as an EP, not
show-runner position. Berman and Braga would still have run the thing. I
didn't feel that I could function best in that arrangement.

As for the treatment Bryce and I wrote for another Trek series, as I said, we
wrote it on our own, NOT as an assignment from Paramount.

Just in the interests of accuracy.

jms


and this doesn't have anything to do with The Memory of Shadows (TMoS) which we still know next to nothing about.


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