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Klipsch RSW-15 or SVS PB1-ISD or PB2-ISD HELP!


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#1 of 12 OFFLINE   Troy Swanson

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Posted June 05 2004 - 08:07 AM

I can't seem to decide, I thought i had narrowed it down to SVS PB1-ISD or PB2-ISD. The size of the PB2 is holding me off, and feel the PB1 may not be enough for my 6000 cubic foot HT room. Subwooferinfo.com has good spl specs on the RSW-15. The RSW-15 is smaller than the PB2 and would fit better. PB1 600.00, PB2 900.00 RSW-15 900.00 plus on the net. Would the RSW-15 be a good alternative between the 2 SVS models for both size and performance. I would love to make a decision today.
Thank you for your input.

#2 of 12 OFFLINE   Tony Genovese

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Posted June 05 2004 - 08:49 AM

Get an SVS. B&M subs for the same price cannot match them. In your room the PB2-1sd is the bare minimum. 6000 cubes is huge. Sheesh, in a room that size, the size of the SVS is holding you off?????

#3 of 12 OFFLINE   Edward J M

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Posted June 05 2004 - 09:53 AM

The RSW-15 can really belt it out above 30 Hz, and it sounds damn good doing it, too. In that size room it will definitely outperform a PB1-ISD at all frequencies above 30 Hz.

Below 30 Hz the RSW-15 takes a nosedive and really can't deliver the goods in the 20-30 Hz bandwidth.

The PB2-ISD will level up the playing field in the output department above 30 Hz, and will also definitely outperform the RSW-15 below 30 Hz, providing solid extension to 22-23 Hz in the stock tune, and to 17-18 Hz in the 20 Hz tune.
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#4 of 12 OFFLINE   Tony Genovese

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Posted June 05 2004 - 09:58 AM

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Below 30 Hz the RSW-15 takes a nosedive and really can't deliver the goods in the 20-30 Hz bandwidth.
And given Klipsch's new found aggressiveness towards net sales, I think the price Troy is quoting is illusory, unless he's talking very, very grey market goods or very, very used. Heck, they list for $1800.

#5 of 12 OFFLINE   Troy Swanson

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Posted June 05 2004 - 11:05 AM

Edward,

Thank you, The way you put it makes perfect sense, I need to ignore the wife factor and pull the trigger on the PB2. I was trying to get the best of both worlds, good performance in a decent size sub and wife acceptance. Thanks again.

#6 of 12 OFFLINE   ScottCHI

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Posted June 05 2004 - 11:19 AM

my rsw15 doesn't nosedive until 25Hz. in fact, it's 25Hz output is slightly above it's 30Hz output.

that said, i probably wouldn't consider it unless you really can get it for the price you quote. doubtful it even compares to the pb2's movie performance, though.
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#7 of 12 OFFLINE   Edward J M

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Posted June 05 2004 - 11:51 AM

Secrets Of HT & HF Review

Hi Scott:

This is the review I based that comment on. Of course, there might be other reviews that show a better FR for the RSW-15.

Weatherhead's room definitely showed a peaky response in the 30-35 Hz region which affected every sub tested. But below 32 Hz, the RSW-15 definitely heads south with extreme prejudice (at least in Weatherhead's room).

Here's some quotes from his review of the RSW-15:

"...I was shocked that the sub didn't play better than it did below 30 Hz."

"The sub also performed very respectably at 30 Hz. Unfortunately, it rolled off so sharply under 30 Hz, it only scored a Shake Value: 2.4. The sub did play all material that was thrown at it, but just didn't belt out the <30Hz stuff with authority."

"Everything over 30 Hz was played with authority and clarity. Klipsch did their homework, because the sub sounded as clean and precise as the HGS-18 on material over 30 Hz."

"Where the RSW really excelled was with music. The RSW brought a lively sound to rock material, Classical material was reproduced beautifully. If I had to pick a sub to play music, and just occasional home theater, it would be the RSW."

"U-571 played clean, but didn't shake the walls."

On the Matrix: "The drops and all effects were played well, but with no authority. This sub could really use a good kick in the 20 Hz - 30 Hz range. Clean, but not loud."

"The sub didn't hammer out the 20 Hz notes with the SPL some of the other contenders had, but the rest it covered well. This sub handles music nicely, better than it does with home theater (action movies)."
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#8 of 12 OFFLINE   ScottCHI

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Posted June 05 2004 - 12:12 PM

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Hi Scott:
oh, i know. i'm pretty familiar with that review. and i've examined my sub's output in that region as best i could, and by all the methods i have available (radio shack spl meter and various calibration cds and dvds), and my (uncorrected, even) 25Hz output is 1 or 2 dB above it's 30Hz output.

as you know, i got the rsw15 from a dealer who was willing to take back a sub that i was unhappy with, and that was beyond it's return grace period, in exchange for the rsw15 (and more cash, of course). under different circumstances, i do not think i would have gotten the rsw15.

trust me, i'm not about to push my sub on anyone. i love it. it works for me, but i'd never tell someone to get it over another one that i've never even experienced. and i've never even heard an sVs. and like i've said before, i'm sure they're awe inspiring.
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#9 of 12 OFFLINE   Edward J M

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Posted June 05 2004 - 12:41 PM

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i've examined my sub's output in that region as best i could, and by all the methods i have available (radio shack spl meter and various calibration cds and dvds), and my (uncorrected, even) 25Hz output is 1 or 2 dB above it's 30Hz output.

I don't doubt your findings; room gain could easily account for your sub hanging in there until 25 Hz. In my room, my sub is +10 dB @ 22-27 Hz as compared to the average 40-100 Hz level. Gotta love that room gain.... Posted Image
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#10 of 12 OFFLINE   ScottCHI

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Posted June 05 2004 - 01:00 PM

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I don't doubt your findings..........
i do. i don't trust any of this stuff. i've seen some weird stuff when measuring both my sub, my speakers, and my sub+speakers. i quit doing it. it was beginning to drive me sorta crazy.
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#11 of 12 OFFLINE   dave alan

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Posted June 05 2004 - 03:43 PM

Subwoofer 25-62Hz average 20Hz 25Hz

Klipsch RSW-15 112dB 97dB 112dB

Looks like Tom Nousaine has the RSW-15 hanging in there to below 25 Hz.

Corner loaded in 6K cubes, it's probably flat (+/-3dB) to 23 Hz.

Of course, it definitely 'nosedives' after that. Looks like a HP filter at 20 Hz.

#12 of 12 OFFLINE   Tom Vodhanel

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Posted June 05 2004 - 03:56 PM

Sound and Vision, May-2002.


maximum clean output, 20hz-97dB
25-63hz average-112dB

There is no text indicating 25hz output capabilities.

Frequency Response: 48-115hz, +/- 2.1dB If you "eyeball" the Nousaine response chart...the curve is down 15dB by about 30hz(compared to 80hz). This does correspond to what Brian Weatherhead measured.


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