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Highlander 2 Special Edition: anyone buying?


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#1 of 93 JoeU

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Posted June 03 2004 - 12:46 PM

The Digital Bits today posted specs for a Highlander 2 Special Edition due on 7/20. It sounds like a nice 2 disc set, but most people who have seen it agree that the film itself is a piece of crap. I'm a huge fan of the original Highlander, but I consider Highlander 2 to be one of the worst films I've ever seen. Even so I'm considering picking this up just for a look at the behind the scenes goings on of this movie. Just curious how many other Highlander fans might buy this even though they hate the film. It looks as if the studio is pretty confident of decent sales since the Bits description said the original effects team produced 100 new shots for this release.

The description doesn't specify so I'm also curious as to whether this will be the original version where
the Immortals turn out to be aliens from the planet Ziest
or the Renegade Version where
the Immortals were exiles from Earth's distant past.

From The Digital Bits:

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Also, Lion's Gate has announced a Highlander 2: Special Edition for release on 7/20 (SRP $19.98). The 2-disc set will include the film in anamorphic widescreen video (from a 24p HD master) and both Dolby Digital 5.1 EX and DTS 6.1 ES audio. The film has been newly enhanced with over 100 new effects shots produced by the film's original effects team. There is an alternate viewing mode (The Deconstruction of Highlander 2) which will let you go behind the scenes on the production of different scenes in the film, much like the Follow the White Rabbit option from the original Matrix DVD. Other extras will include the Highlander 2: Seduced by Argentina multi-part documentary, The Redemption of Highlander 2 featurette (a look at the new special effects), The Music of Highlander 2 featurette (hosted by composer Stewart Copeland, formerly of The Police), The Fabric of Highlander 2 featurette (a look at the costume design), the Shadow and Darkness: The Cinematography of Highlander 2 featurette (hosted by director of photography Phil Meheux), the original Cannes Film Festival presentation reel, deleted scenes and more. Sounds like a pretty nice set.


#2 of 93 Joseph J.D

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Posted June 03 2004 - 01:15 PM

I've been waiting for a special edition of this film ever since I got into DVD four years ago. For me, the Renegade version is a guilty pleasure. So...yeah, I'm definitely getting this.:b It will complete my collection of Anamorphic copies of all the Highlander films.

I'm wondering if there will be some deleted scenes- specifically another version of the ending where
Macleod is floating amongst a backdrop of stars and beckoning Virginia Madsen's character to join him as he returns to Zeist
(At least that's how I remember it when I saw a bootleg of H2 while vacationing in Asia about a decade ago. That was one major alteration.)
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Posted June 03 2004 - 02:45 PM

My Renegade Version experience goes something like this: Bought it on a whim. I watched it for 15 minutes, put it back in its case and returned it the next day (and I enjoy the original Highlander a great deal, so I was hoping it was not as bad as I'd heard).

Perhaps if it's $15 or so, I might take a chance, but I doubt it.

Edit: Just finished reading the Bits, lots of extras for probably around $15... maybe.

#4 of 93 Matt Czyz

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Posted June 03 2004 - 03:09 PM

To quote Ebert (who was referring to "North"):

"I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it."

My feelings towards Highlander 2 exactly.

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Posted June 03 2004 - 03:43 PM

Never again. I enjoyed the film when I was a child. Later I mildly enjoyed seeing the tv version with the "floating" ending. More recently I was really bored by the Renegade Version and regretted the $8 I spent on it. Today if I were to get the Special Edition, I expect I'd go into some kind of coma.

Fortress is probably a better Lambert sci-fi action film than H2.

The only film worse than H2 I can think of is H3 (the one with the villain who sounds like Harvey Feirstein).
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Posted June 03 2004 - 03:56 PM

I like H2. I bought the Renegade Version on VHS for $15 back in 1994. The Renegade version is the one on the SE . I would definitely love to review this SE.

I like the Renegade Version (it improves on the crap editing of the Quickening that made H2 a bad mess).
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#7 of 93 Artur Meinild

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Posted June 03 2004 - 08:20 PM

People bashing Highlander 2 need to clearly distinguish between the theatrical version and the Renegade version (director's cut)!
The theatrical version is simply unwatchable, as it's been edited to hell, and it makes no sense with regard to the other highlander movies (outer space???)... My rating: 1/10 (unwatchable, on par with Battlefield Earth or Lawnmower Man 2)
The Renegade version however, actually makes some kind of sense, and it has a number of brilliant scenes and good lines of dialogue. It is nowhere as good as the original, but some poeple (including me) like it for what it is... My rating: 6/10 (average, entertaining but has problems - the same rating as I gave Tomb Raider and The Lost World)
It is very possible I'll buy the new special edition to compliment the Anchor Bay SE of highlander.

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Posted June 03 2004 - 09:18 PM

never saw the Director's Cut as I thought H2 was a waste of time compared to the original

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Posted June 03 2004 - 11:48 PM

I'm tempted, but... could I? Would I? Should I?

This film easily falls in the catagory: "so bad it's good".
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Posted June 04 2004 - 12:24 AM

Gee, I can't believe no one has started a petition yet demanding the ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSION!! It's a piece of history, you know. Don't let them rape your childhood. Posted Image
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Posted June 04 2004 - 03:31 AM

I hated the theatrical version but these extras sound tempting especially with deep discount dvd price of 10$. But I don't consider this a Highlander film.

My Highlander timeline:
Highlander Orginal movie
Highlander Duncan Series
Highlander Endgame

There are no other Highlander besides that.

But this renegade version is tempting to hear what they were smoking when they thought of this.

For someone with the Renegade verision can you please sum up how they brought Sean Connery back and how they avoided the outer space origin. Thanks

#12 of 93 Tony Whalen

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Posted June 04 2004 - 04:14 AM

Hmmm... I'll think about this one. But first, I want to hear which cut it is. If it's the theatrical Ziest-cut...no thanks.

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Posted June 04 2004 - 05:40 AM

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To quote Ebert (who was referring to "North"):

Why not quote Ebert's actual Highlander 2 review? He gave it 1/2 a star and called it "one of the most hilariously incomprehensible movies he'd ever seen. A film almost awesome in its badness." Posted Image

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Gee, I can't believe no one has started a petition yet demanding the ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSION!! It's a piece of history, you know. Don't let them rape your childhood.

Actually, I find it interesting how none of the original theatrical cuts of the Highlander films are available on DVD. None of the fans seem to mind with this franchise though(maybe since most of them choose to ignore the series after the first movie).
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#14 of 93 JoeU

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Posted June 04 2004 - 05:49 AM

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For someone with the Renegade verision can you please sum up how they brought Sean Connery back and how they avoided the outer space origin.

It's been probably almost 10 years since I've seen either version of Highlander 2, but this is what I can remember. I guess I'll put this in a spoiler tag in case anyone cares to see this film without knowing what they're in for.

From what I remember the Ziest origin of the Immortals is avoided by simply cutting all the lines that refer to it. Right after MacLeod falls asleep in the opera house and we see what was the initial shot of Ziest the screen text in the Renegade Version reads "A very long time ago" instead of "The Planet Ziest". I guess the assumption is that it's a very long time ago on Earth. As to why there's all these people running around in Earth's distant past firing guns and hiding out in what appears to be a crashed spacecraft, the film offers no explanation. Michael Ironside's Katana character is still able to watch MacLeod on his monitor or whatever it is although how I don't know. It's hard enough to monitor events as they happen from a planet light years away, I'd say it's even harder to do it from thousands of years in the past. As to how Connery's Ramirez character was brought back I think that's still the same in both versions. MacLeod screams out his name and he comes down in a blast of energy in the middle of a production of Hamlet in Scotland. Again, how I don't know.


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Posted June 04 2004 - 06:22 AM

Actually, how they brought Connery back was, to me, the only thing that made any lick of sense.

Good to see the quickening actually used for something. In H2 MacLeod and Ramirez had some kind of bond with the Quickening that not even death could break. I think Ramirez said all MacLeod had to do was call on him. After MacLeod took a head and called his name, rather than absorb the Quickening in the normal fashion it's power regenerated Ramirez in the very spot he perished. Afterall, MacLeod should have carried his essence anyway since he had all the knoweledge and power of all the Immortals at the end of Highlander 1. Besides, isn't "the quickening" the rising of the dead? (in the Bible I think). Here, it makes a lot of sense. Of course, if I were MacLeod I'd have made a bond with the hottest female Immortal, and then when I was the last one called out her name during the Quickening and lived forever with her.Posted Image Then again, there were no female immortals until the series.

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Posted June 04 2004 - 06:35 AM

In regards to your post Grant H, I had never put much thought into trying to figure this movie out, but that does actually make sense.

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Posted June 04 2004 - 07:28 AM

As much as I love the original Highlander film, and to some extent the TV series, Highlander 2 (theatrical edit) is the worst film I've ever seen. Out of fear, I've never gone near the Renegade version, and I sure as hell never will after reading Joe's assessment of how this edit creatively deals with the 'Planet Zeist' thing. And to be on the safe side, I'm gonna avoid this new DVD like the plague. I'm shaking my head just thinking about this film as I type, and I hope to never mention it again. Ever.

#18 of 93 Artur Meinild

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Posted June 04 2004 - 09:49 AM

Some of you don't get it... You mention Planet Zeist like that was the original script, and that the Renegade version should somehow "get around", when it's in fact the other way around. There was never meant to be anything about outer space, but this was changed in the theatrical cut. Everything that made absolutely no sense was changes made to the theatrical release from the original material which actually did make sense in the highlander universe. Forget everything about Planet Zeist, it does not exist in the script, it is the idea of stupid studio execs.
And sorry, I can't take anyone who hasn't actually seen the Renegade version serious in this discussion. You pretend to know it's as bad as the theatrical version, when in fact it's not. It's still not a masterpiece, but your arguments are as invalid as with any other movie you're trying to discuss without having seen it.

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#19 of 93 Will_B

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Posted June 04 2004 - 12:45 PM

Um, perhaps early scripts did not include Zeist. But obviously by the time they started filming, it was a key part of the story.

The Renegade version can't fix everything. There's the impossibility of guards not seeing people rapelling down the dam. There's the oddness that the woman in the story is brave enough to infiltrate a corporate stronghold but hides in a dumpster from a punk on a flying skateboard...
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Posted June 04 2004 - 02:42 PM

Well, as a fan of Virginia Madsen, Michael Ironside and the music by Queen, I'm going to give the Renegade version a chance. I shall keep my expectations really, really low, and will hopefully be surprised.

(I have the LD of the theatrical version, and watched it only once.)



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