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*** Official TROY Discussion Thread


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#1 of 143 ChrisMatson

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Posted May 06 2004 - 04:04 AM

I still have hope for this one. This should be a decent movie while providing some good summer action.

Peter Travers liked it:
So what if Troy falls short of its good intentions to pave the road to boffo glory with art? You are not going to resist a Gladiator-size epic with studly guys, led by Brad Pitt buffed to steroidal splendor as Achilles, playing a game of "my dick is bigger than yours" by going to war over a babe. OK, the story is direct from Homer, with attendant reminders of slogging through The Iliad in lit class. But Troy, besides being tremendously entertaining, is the best crib-sheet guide to Homer ever. Director Wolfgang Petersen (The Perfect Storm) rips and roars through the tale, filling the screen with all the action a $200 million budget can buy. In battle scenes, Petersen whips his computers into a frenzy, making 1,000 extras in soldier drag look like 50,000, each with a mean hair up his butt. These Troy boys may wear sissy sandals, but they can stick in a sword and gut an opponent with enough artery-piercing, entrail-twisting brio to earn an R rating.
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Troy lacks the focus of Gladiator, not to mention that Oscar winner's scrappy wit. But why kick a gift horse when you're in summer-movie heaven?
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#2 of 143 Edwin Pereyra

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Posted May 06 2004 - 05:05 AM

From Todd McCarthy:

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Unlike the Romans, the Greeks have never been particularly well served by Hollywood, and the giant new epic "Troy" doesn't do a whole lot to right the balance. Despite a sensationally attractive cast and an array of well-staged combat scenes presented on a vast scale, Wolfgang Petersen's highly telescoped rendition of the Trojan War lurches ahead in fits and starts for much of its hefty running time, to OK effect...

Despite all the technological advances and know-how brought to bear on this loose adaptation of Homer's "The Iliad," "Troy" boasts almost precisely the same pros and cons as a standard-issue historical spectacle of the '50s: great production values, spectacular battles and some fine actors in grand roles on the one hand; hokey dialogue, insipid romance and dull interstitial downtime between set-pieces on the other.

For now, I'll still be seeing this one.

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#3 of 143 Scott Weinberg

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Posted May 06 2004 - 05:21 AM

OK, I just got back and I REALLY dug this movie.

For a flick so freakin' long, it really breezes by at a satisfyingly brisk clip.

Some amazing action, great work from Bana, Gleeson and a few others...

Good stuff. Gets the Weinberg seal of stunned approval.

#4 of 143 Chuck Mayer

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Posted May 06 2004 - 05:31 AM

How about my boy Bean, Weinberg. Screw those pretty boys (except Bana, I like him)...how about BEAN???

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#5 of 143 Todd Terwilliger

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Posted May 06 2004 - 05:42 AM

I'm still looking forward to this one.
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#6 of 143 Scott Weinberg

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Posted May 06 2004 - 05:55 AM

Sorry, Chuck. No nudity from Sean Bean.

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But honestly: he's one of the best things in the movie. His Odysseus isn't that huge a character, but Bean does a great job with it.

#7 of 143 Chuck Mayer

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Posted May 06 2004 - 06:06 AM

If Sean Bean actually got naked, this movie would make $500 million dollars, and most of it from my wife Posted Image

Thanks for the response.

I look forward to checking it out,
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#8 of 143 Jim_C

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Posted May 06 2004 - 06:40 AM

I've seen plenty of movies that received mixed reviews and ended up enjoying myself tremendously. Troy is still on my must-see list.
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#9 of 143 Todd Terwilliger

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Posted May 06 2004 - 07:28 AM

Hopefully, Bean can parlay this into an Odyssey movie. Posted Image
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#10 of 143 FredK

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Posted May 06 2004 - 09:20 AM

Good to get some perspective on this one. I love the Illiad in general and think the material, properly trimmed, is outstanding.

While I'm glad for the supporting cast, what about the dynamic between Achilles & Hector? They may not appear alot together, but it's pretty important when they do!

#11 of 143 Nathan V

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Posted May 06 2004 - 04:44 PM

Time gave it a rave.
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#12 of 143 Scott Weinberg

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Posted May 06 2004 - 07:19 PM

Fred,

There's one extended 'moment' between Hector and Achilles that's pretty damn excellent.

And there's one small moment between Achilles and Priam that's just great.

The more I think about the movie, the more I like it. That's a nice feeling.

#13 of 143 Todd Terwilliger

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Posted May 07 2004 - 06:04 AM

Scott,

That's good to hear.

Is there a link to that Time review?
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#14 of 143 ChrisMatson

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Posted May 07 2004 - 08:24 AM

Time review here.

This August, Greece, which gave birth to the poetics of war, will try to stage an athletic competition in which no one dies. But for a smart take on why men need to compete and combat, Athens won't be able to top TROY. And for movies, this is the summer game to beat.


#15 of 143 Todd Terwilliger

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Posted May 07 2004 - 09:08 AM

Chris,

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#16 of 143 Vickie_M

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Posted May 10 2004 - 10:43 PM

My husband and I saw Troy at a sneak preview last night and liked it. I even downgraded my score for Van Helsing becuase, though I had a really good time at VH, Troy is the better movie, after all. I couldn't give them the same grade.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, we missed the first 20 minutes and will (pay to) see it again this weekend.

Question about the beginning. Scott? It's not an important question because as I said, we'll see it again, but I'm just curious.

We came in when Paris was asking Helen to come with him. In the previews, there's a shot of Brad Pitt killing a man and yelling "IS THERE NO ONE ELSE??" Is that at the beginning, or was it cut out of the movie?


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#17 of 143 Scott Weinberg

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Posted May 11 2004 - 10:46 AM

Vick,

That scene is in the movie. You missed it is all. And that's all I'm sayin'... Posted Image

#18 of 143 Timothy Alexander

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Posted May 11 2004 - 07:15 PM

Just curious. Is that great kickass score from the trailers actually in the movie? If not, it is probably the best trailer music I've heard in quite sometime.
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#19 of 143 john doran

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Posted May 12 2004 - 01:00 AM

is any of the mythology in the movie (e.g. achilles being the son of the nereid thetis)? or is it a straight naturalistic telling of the story?
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Posted May 12 2004 - 01:12 AM

John, I think some of the gods and Achilles back story are mentioned, but nothing is actually shown. But from what I've heard it's just a few comments, nothing of any real importance.
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