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Kill Bill V2 - Shogun Assassin???


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#1 of 10 Jeff Swearingen

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Posted April 27 2004 - 03:15 AM

For those of you who watched the second part of Kill Bill in theaters already, you probably noticed the reference to the Kung Fu movie Shogun Assassin. Is this available?

#2 of 10 Garry Cowell

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Posted April 27 2004 - 03:26 AM

The 'Samurai' movie is available on R2 UK DVD quite a scabby transfer but considering the history* of this bastard child it's not all bad.

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*History

In a pre-Miramax move a US company in the early 80's took the first two Japanese Lone Wolf movies; cut them apart, threw out all the non action scenes, edited them into an audience friendly 80 minutes (comprising of 20% Lone Wolf & Cub 1: Sword Of Vengeance and 80% Lone Wolf & Cub 2: Baby Cart At The River Styx) and then dubbed them into English!

SURPRISINGLY! This actually works for two reasons...

1) The episodic nature of the 'Lone Wolf' movies allowed scenes to be viewed out of context.
2) Someone had the ingenious idea of having the kid narrate the story. Which not only helps paste over the sudden jumps in geography and plot but adds a whole different angle on the viewing of the movie.

I was quite surprised to find that some of my favourite scenes from Shogun Assassin were handled less well in the original... e.g. the scene where Tigaro must choose between the ball (death) and the sword (life) has no suspense due to it been a flashback in Sword Of Vengeance. Also there's some seriously thin on the ground foley work (intentional or not?!) used for the opening 10min of 'Sword' that is a tad distracting to say the least. 'Shogun' not only solves this problem but adds a hugely cool electronic score through out (that shouldn't work but does). Add to that a really good dub job and a runtime that fly's by quicker than one of Lone Wolf's attacks!

Anyway, I'm sure purist will hate it because of what it is but if Lone Wolf's bastard child turns up at my house seeking food and shelter I'd certainly welcome him with open arms.

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#3 of 10 Max Knight

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Posted April 27 2004 - 03:36 AM

Shogun Assassin is actually the first two Lone Wolf & Cub movies edited together (some plot cut out, so that there is more blood per minute).

I just watched the first Lone Wolf & Cub movie (Sword of Vengeance), it was really fun!
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#4 of 10 Ralph Jenkins

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Posted April 27 2004 - 05:07 AM

One of my favorite parts of Kill Bill Vol. 2 is when Bill says Shogun Assassin is "too long" to watch with Mommy. It's not "too violent," though. Posted Image

#5 of 10 Gary->dee

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Posted April 27 2004 - 05:31 AM

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Is this available?
I wish! (in R1)

I'm collecting the individual LW&C DVDs, but the icing on the cake would be to have a sweet OAR transfer of Shogun Assassin. I like the boy's perspective among other things.

#6 of 10 Darren Gross

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Posted April 27 2004 - 09:26 AM

It's actually Daigoro, not 'Tigaro.'

#7 of 10 Jim_K

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Posted April 27 2004 - 10:15 AM

As others have said the Lone Wolf & Cub films are on DVD & they look great. Unless you have an aversion to reading subtitles I prefer them over the bastard child Shogun Assassin.

Another film you might be interested in would be Lady Snowblood which was a huge influence on Kill Bill.

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#8 of 10 Philip Verdieck

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Posted September 10 2004 - 05:54 AM

OK. You guys motivated me to get off my butt and order the rest of the LW&C movies (I had 1 and 2).

#9 of 10 Daniel Windsor

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Posted September 10 2004 - 07:31 PM

The UK disc is Region 0 and very cheap.

No reason to wait.

#10 of 10 Philip Verdieck

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Posted September 11 2004 - 06:18 AM

I went with the remasters from animeigo