Posted April 06 2004 - 09:07 AM
| Considering that more people in this thread are picking the #7 seed Canadiens to beat the #2 seed Bruins, I'm not sure where you think that Boston is getting too much credit. |
you again huh? guess i will have to clarify. i meant in general, not necessarily in this thread, people are giving boston too much credit. happy now?
| defensively gifted Boynton |
| Joe's recent "bad" penalty at the end of a game was due to Kerry Frasier getting scared that Joe was going to kill someone due to an uncalled crosscheck to the head. I personally hope the Habs go at Joe; leave him alone and he sometimes disappears (holds up at the hashmarks and looks for Murray), but get him mad and he starts to drive for the net and there is not a Hab in the bunch who can stop that. |
maybe so, but it still doesnt explain the countless late game penalties he has taken as a result of someone trying to contain his body. and if anyone would take the body on murray and not let him wander around, maybe even the lowly habs could take down the bruins, murray's shot is nothing to leave unattended. if you get in thornton's face a little, he gets all flustered and takes a bad penalty. i've seen it happen too many times to think anything will happen otherwise. his captaincy is simply a case of giving it to the best player, not the leader. how can he actually lead them team from the box? the things that are keeping joe from being a really great player are his temper and his ego. anyone see him when he was asked by some reporter if he considered himself one of the top players in the league? even if you are one of the best, you are supposed to play it down. he said (paraphrasing) "oh yeah last year even though i had lots of points i didnt think i was up there but this year i consider myself at least one of the top 10 players in the league" if joe could be a little more modest and control his temper, i think he would only be limited by his potential, which is very promising.
Posted April 06 2004 - 12:18 PM
diatribe? calm down man, it is just my opinion. as far as my opinion on thornton, you are clearly a fan and can not see past his weaknesses. it is within your right to call him the best two way player in the game, but there are many many others who will disagree with you.
| Seeing that you only watched most of the Bruins home games, I'll cut you some slack for missing a little thing called the All-Star game |
how do you know what i saw? anyway, i knew there would be some people in here who think thornton is the end-all be-all of hockey around here. if you would read my "diatribe",(yawn) you would see that i happen to think thornton has nearly unlimited potential, but has problems to work out before he can be considered one of the top players in the league.
| if joe could be a little more modest and control his temper, i think he would only be limited by his potential, which is very promising |
you must have either missed that part of my post or ignored it. fair enough either way, we are obviously not going to agree on much.
anyway, if there are any caps fans in here, you have a lot to be happy about now, they won the draft today, which means they will almost certainly get the russian lw star alexander ovechkin. there is a 35mb video at his website
, but the site appears to be down now.
And then when I feel so stuffed I can't eat anymore, I just use the restroom! And then I CAN eat more!
Posted April 06 2004 - 11:07 PM
| it is within your right to call him the best two way player |
I said he may be, not is, the best two way player in hockey. A case can be made for others and I would not argue. I personally do not see the fact that Thornton gets penalties as that much of a problem. His penalties have steadily declined in the last three years and he did not take as many retalitory stick penalties this year as in the past. I said before that Joe has to have a burr under his saddle to play at this best (this is his only weakness IMHO) and you do not play with an edge and be that big without drawing the ire of the zebras. I'm not blaming the refs, but a Lindros, a Tkhachuk or a Primeau will always get more notice than a St. Louis or Gionta, it's just human nature. As far as a Bruins Captain not being able to lead from the box, look up the names Cashman and O'Reilly, nuff said.
| how do you know what i saw? |
I figured after your laughing smiley when I called Boynton defensively gifted that you did not realize he was on the All-Star team from the East (the same team that *started* Thornton at center). My apologies if you did realize this and still don't believe he is defensively gifted. He also led the team in +/- with +17 while only playing the PP occasionally and being 1st penalty kill. Nope, no defensive skills there . . .
Edit: Not to belabor the point, but there is an interesting bit of Bruins trivia about points and PIMS. Only three players have ever led the Bruins in both Points and PIMS in a single season. Two, Thornton and O'Reilly, went on the become captains. The third was only an assistant captain, but he did it with 120 points and 125 PIMS. I'll leave it for anyone to guess his name, but here's a hint - His last name rhymed with his number