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#1 of 486 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted March 17 2004 - 09:31 AM

OK, this tournament will be (at the same time) for the best remake and worst remake of all time. I realize there's disagreement about what constitutes a remake, and such discussion is welcome. Everyone will have unlimited noms and seconds, and in most cases I will let it stand when two people think it's a remake, but I reserve the right to drop any that I don't think qualify. It's hard to put into words, but I'd like the remake to be intended as such. For example, The Magnificent Seven is very different in some ways than Seven Samurai, but it was clearly intended to be a remake of that film. On the other hand, it's highly doubtful that Zeffirelli's Romeo & Juliet was intended to be a remake of West Side Story. I realize it's fuzzy, but hopefully it'll make sense.

I've stuck in 41 remakes, which leaves 23 slots open.

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an affair to remember (love affair)
ben-hur 1959 (ben-hur 1925)
the birdcage (la cage aux folles)
born yesterday 1993 (born yesterday 1950)
city of angels (wings of desire)
diabolique 1996 (diabolique 1955)
doctor dolittle 1998 (doctor dolittle 1967)
down to earth (here comes mr. Jordan)
father of the bride 1991 (father of the bride 1950)
father of the bride, part 2 (father's little dividend)
a fistful of dollars (yojimbo)
flubber (the absent-minded professor)
freaky Friday 2003 freaky Friday (1976)
gaslight 1944 (gaslight 1940)
goodbye, mr. Chips 1969 (goodbye, mr. Chips 1939)
heaven can wait (here comes mr. Jordan)
high society (the philadelphia story)
the in-laws 2002 (the in-laws 1979)
in the good old summertime (the shop around the corner)
the italian job 2003 (the italian job 1969)
the jungle book 1994 (the jungle book 1967)
the killers 1964 (the killers 1946)
the magnificent seven (seven samurai)
the maltese falcon 1941 (the maltese falcon 1931)
the man who knew too much 1956 (the man who knew too much 1934)
miracle on 34th street 1994 (miracle on 34th street 1947)
the money pit (mr. Blandings builds his dream house)
never say never again (thunderball)
the nutty professor 1996 (the nutty professor 1963)
101 dalmatians 1996 (101 dalmatians 1961)
the out-of-towners 1999 (the out-of-towners 1970)
the parent trap 1998 (the parent trap 1961)
a perfect murder (dial m for murder)
planet of the apes 2001 (planet of the apes 1968)
pollyanna 1960 (pollyanna 1920)
psycho 1998 (psycho 1960)
the shakiest gun in the west (the paleface)
the thomas crown affair 1999 (the thomas crown affair 1968)
to be or not to be 1983 (to be or not to be 1942)
white christmas (holiday inn)
you've got mail (the shop around the corner)


Make sure when you nominate a remake that you indicate which film it is a remake of. However, you don't need to say whether you consider this one of the best remakes or one of the worst remakes, that'll all sort itself out automatically once the tournament begins.
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Posted March 17 2004 - 10:07 AM

Yikes, I assume that you need to have seen both to be able to tell whether it was a good or bad remake? Well, I've seen exactly 4 of these pairings. So I don't know if I should nominate anything or not since I will rarely be able to participate.
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#3 of 486 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted March 17 2004 - 11:24 AM

No, you don't need to have seen the original, just the remake. I guess I wasn't too clear, but the idea is best film (that happens to be a remake) and worst film (that happens to be a remake).
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#4 of 486 OFFLINE   Brook K

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Posted March 17 2004 - 06:12 PM

Well, I've only seen 10 of the 41, so not a whole lot better.

But I'll nominate:

Ali: Fear Eats The Soul (All That Heaven Allows)
His Girl Friday (The Front Page)
Nosferatu: The Vampyre (Nosferatu: A Symphony Of Horror)
Night Of The Living Dead 1990 (Night Of The Living Dead '69)
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Posted March 17 2004 - 07:05 PM

King Kong 1976 (King Kong 1933)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1974 (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003)
Dial M for Murder (A Perfect Murder 1998)
The Thing 1982 (The Thing from Another World 1951)
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#6 of 486 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted March 17 2004 - 10:28 PM

Nick,

A Perfect Murder is already in.

Brook,

Having seen both Fear Eats the Soul and All That Heaven Allows, it had never occured to me that it was a remake, but in retrospect, I can certainly see the similarities.

Nominated (needs a second):

Ali: Fear Eats The Soul (All That Heaven Allows)
His Girl Friday (The Front Page)
Nosferatu: The Vampyre (Nosferatu: A Symphony Of Horror)
Night Of The Living Dead 1990 (Night Of The Living Dead 1969)
The Good Thief (Bob Le Flambeur)
King Kong 1976 (King Kong 1933)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003 (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1974)
The Thing 1982 (The Thing from Another World 1951)
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Posted March 17 2004 - 11:39 PM

I'd nominate:

Ocean's Eleven 2001 (Ocean's Eleven 1960)

and would this qualify?

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#8 of 486 OFFLINE   Jay E

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Posted March 18 2004 - 12:40 AM

I nominate:

The Ten Commandments (1956) (Ten Commandments - silent)
A Star is Born (1954) (A Star is Born - 1937)
The Thin Red Line - (The Thin Red Line - 1964)
Cape Fear (1991) - (Cape Fear - 1962)
Far From Heaven - All That Heaven Allows

I'm confused about the bad remakes, are you going to have 2 separate tournaments? There are so many bad remakes, you should make it 128 films. Here are just a few:

Psycho - same name
Mighty Joe Young - same
Invaders From Mars - same
Truth About Charlie - (Charade)
Point of No Return - (La Femme Nikita)
The Getaway - same
The Desperate Hours - same
The Haunting - same
The Bride - Bride of Frankenstein
Village of the Damned - same
Stagecoach (1966) - same

I second:

The Thing
His Girl Friday
Ali: Fear Eats the Soul

#9 of 486 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted March 18 2004 - 01:25 AM

I'll second:

Nosferatu
The Thin Red Line


#10 of 486 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted March 18 2004 - 01:27 AM

Nominate:

Solaris/(2002)/Solaris (1972)
Spoorloos (The Vanishing (1988))/The Vanishing (1993)
Insomnia (2002)/Insomnia (1997)
Sorcerer (1977)/The Wages of Fear (1953)


Second:

The Good Thief (Bob Le Flambeur)
Ocean's Eleven 2001 (Ocean's Eleven 1960)
Psycho - same name
The Ten Commandments (1956) (Ten Commandments - silent)
A Star is Born (1954) (A Star is Born - 1937)
The Thin Red Line - (The Thin Red Line - 1964)
Cape Fear (1991) - (Cape Fear - 1962)
Far From Heaven - All That Heaven Allows[/i]
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#11 of 486 OFFLINE   Nick Sievers

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Posted March 18 2004 - 08:17 AM

I'll second Solaris, Insomnia and Ocean's Eleven

Planet of the Apes isn't a remake, Burton likes to say its a re-imagining. Posted Image

I nominate:

Vanilla Sky (Abre Los Ojos)
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#12 of 486 OFFLINE   Bill J

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Posted March 18 2004 - 09:30 AM

Nominate:

The Ring (2002) / Ring (1998)

#13 of 486 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted March 18 2004 - 12:23 PM

OK,

I was trying to do something a bit different, so my thought was in the first round you'd vote for the best film. The winners would then continue on in 'vote for the best' brackets, while the losers would continue on simultaneously in 'vote for the worst' bracket. So each time (after the first round), you'd have one matchup where you'd choose the best and one matchup where you choose the worse.

I realize this is different that separate best and worst tourneys, but I thought it might be a bit more interesting.

So, I'm hoping that people are nominating both remakes they like and ones they don't.

I've ruled out A Bug's Life, because while it (and many other films) has definite story elements from Seven Samurai), it's really the story of Flik, and not a remake.

There are 10 slots remaining and the following have been nominated and not yet seconded:

Night Of The Living Dead 1990 (Night Of The Living Dead 1969)
King Kong 1976 (King Kong 1933)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003 (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1974)
Mighty Joe Young 1998 (Mighty Joe Young 1949)
Invaders From Mars 1986 (Invaders from Mars 1953)
Truth About Charlie (Charade)
Point of No Return (La Femme Nikita)
The Getaway 1994 (The Getaway 1972)
The Desperate Hours 1990 (The Desparate Hours 1955)
The Haunting 1999 (The Haunting 1963)
The Bride - Bride of Frankenstein
Village of the Damned 1995 (Village of the Damned 1960)
Stagecoach 1966 (Stagecoach 1939)
The Vanishing 1993 (The Vanishing 1988)
Sorcerer (Wages of Fear)
Vanilla Sky (Abre Los Ojos)
The Ring 2002 (Ring 1998)
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#14 of 486 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted March 18 2004 - 12:50 PM

I'll second Night of the Living Dead, Sorcerer, Vanilla Sky, The Ring, and King Kong.

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Posted March 18 2004 - 02:59 PM

Second:

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Invaders From Mars

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#16 of 486 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted March 18 2004 - 11:52 PM

3 slots left.

Nominated:

Mighty Joe Young 1998 (Mighty Joe Young 1949)
Truth About Charlie (Charade)
Point of No Return (La Femme Nikita)
The Getaway 1994 (The Getaway 1972)
The Desperate Hours 1990 (The Desparate Hours 1955)
The Haunting 1999 (The Haunting 1963)
The Bride - Bride of Frankenstein
Village of the Damned 1995 (Village of the Damned 1960)
Stagecoach 1966 (Stagecoach 1939)
The Vanishing 1993 (The Vanishing 1988)
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Posted March 19 2004 - 12:51 AM

Okay, I'll get us started:

I'll second The Truth About Charlie, The Village of the Damned, and um, Point of No Return I guess. Posted Image

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Posted March 19 2004 - 01:48 AM

OK, thanks Steve.

In the first round you vote for the best film.

You've Got Mail (1998) vs. The Italian Job (2003)
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Posted March 19 2004 - 09:07 AM

The Italian Job

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Posted March 19 2004 - 09:46 AM

The Italian Job
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