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HTF Scorecard - The Results


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#1 of 108 Jim_K

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Posted January 18 2004 - 02:31 AM

HTF Scorecard Results

Once again here's the formula

weighted rank (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C

R = mean average = Rating
v = number of votes for the movie = votes
m = minimum votes required (14 = 54% of the votes)
C = the mean vote for all the films (7.04)

1,214 films polled of which 676 films met the minimum required votes (14).

Here we go

Top 100 Films

1Rear Window 8.44
2Psycho 8.35
3Casablanca 8.32
4Vertigo 8.32
5Empire Strikes Back, The 8.27
6Godfather, The 8.25
7Raiders of the Lost Ark 8.25
8Third Man, The 8.24
9Unforgiven (1992)8.23
10Rashômon 8.22
11Goodfellas 8.20
12M 8.20
13Bridge on the River Kwai, The 8.19
14Jaws 8.19
15Dr. Strangelove 8.17
16Star Wars 8.17
17Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The8.16
18Seven Samurai 8.15
19Metropolis (1927) 8.15
20Rebecca 8.13
21Godfather: Part II, The 8.07
22North by Northwest 8.07
23LOTR: The Return of the King8.05
24Citizen Kane 8.04
25Mr. Smith Goes to Washington 8.02
26Sullivan's Travels 8.02
27Man Who Shot Liberty Valance 8.02
28Double Indemnity 8.02
29Boot, Das 8.02
30Silence of the Lambs, The 7.99
31L.A. Confidential 7.99
32Paths of Glory 7.99
33Aguirre: The Wrath of God 7.99
34Throne of Blood 7.98
352001: A Space Odyssey 7.96
36It's a Wonderful Life 7.96
37Shadow of a Doubt 7.95
38Wizard of Oz, The 7.94
39LOTR: The Two Towers 7.94
40Shawshank Redemption, The 7.94
41Passion of Joan of Arc, The 7.92
42Lawrence of Arabia 7.91
43High Noon 7.91
44To Kill a Mockingbird 7.91
45Seventh Seal, The 7.90
46Gold Rush, The 7.89
47Toy Story 7.89
48Apocalypse Now 7.88
49Notorious 7.88
50Chinatown 7.88
51Modern Times 7.86
52Toy Story 2 7.86
53Once Upon a Time in the West 7.86
54Schindler's List 7.85
55Spirited Away 7.85
56Alien 7.84
5712 Angry Men 7.83
58Trouble in Paradise 7.81
59Die Hard 7.79
60Aliens 7.78
61Apartment, The 7.78
62Memento 7.78
63Road Warrior7.77
64Finding Nemo 7.77
65Maltese Falcon, The 7.75
66Night of the Hunter, The 7.75
67Some Like It Hot 7.75
68Treasure of the Sierra Madre 7.74
69Stalag 17 7.74
70Wild Strawberries 7.74
71It Happened One Night 7.74
72Strangers on a Train 7.74
73My Man Godfrey (1936) 7.72
74LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring7.71
75Terminator 2: Judgment Day 7.71
76General, The 7.71
77Kill Bill: Vol. 1 7.71
78Monty Python and the Holy Grail7.70
79Christmas Story, A 7.70
80Ran 7.69
81Thing, The (1982) 7.67
82E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial7.66
83Terminator, The 7.66
84Blade Runner 7.66
85Grand Illusion, The 7.66
868½ 7.65
87King Kong (1933) 7.64
88Patton 7.64
89Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan 7.64
90Adventures of Robin Hood, The 7.64
91Lady Vanishes, The 7.64
9239 Steps, The 7.63
93Great Expectations (1946) 7.63
94Thin Man, The 7.62
95Singin' in the Rain 7.62
96Yojimbo 7.61
97Bringing Up Baby 7.60
98Hard-Boiled 7.60
99Princess Bride, The 7.59
100Fargo 7.59


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#2 of 108 george kaplan

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Posted January 18 2004 - 02:38 AM

Thanks for your hard work Jim.

It's an interesting (and not too surprising) list. Naturally I'm disappointed by the placement of The Apartment (and of course baffled by any vote less than 10 for it Posted Image), but at least there are only 6 films above it that I would classify as not truly great, and those are still good films.
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#3 of 108 george kaplan

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Posted January 18 2004 - 02:44 AM

Jim,

I hope you can post the mean rankings by themselves. Frankly, I'm a bit baffled as to how to interpret your formula. It appears that if everyone voted for a given film and gave it a 10, that the weighted rank would be 8.964, so I'm not really sure what that means. Could you explain the WR index in laymen's terms? Thanks.
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#4 of 108 Jim_K

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Posted January 18 2004 - 03:33 AM

In laymens terms the Weighted Rank formula places importance on the number of people voting.

Mean Rating
Film A = scores an 8.40 (15 total votes)
Film B = scores an 8.40 (25 total votes)

WR formula
Film A = 7.74
Film B = 7.91

I'll post up the Mean Ratings in a few days.

For the time being here's some stats on the voters

Top 3 Most Generous Voters by average (Movie Lovers Award)
1. Walter (7.86)
2. Nick (7.58)
3. SteveGon (7.56)

Top 3 Least Generous Voters (Scrooge Award)
1. John Wilson (5.99)
2. ErikG (6.47)
3. george Kaplan (6.53)

Most 10's given
1. george = 228
2. John Wilson = 227
3. Nick = 120

Most 10's by percentage of votes
1. george = 33%
2. John Wilson = 25%
3. Rob PS = 17%

Least 10's given
1. tie Brett = 5
tie John Thomas = 5
3. Brad = 21

Least 10's given by percentage of votes
1. John Thomas (0.7%)
2. Brett (2%)
3. Brad (3.5%)

Most 0's Given
1. John Wilson = 69
2. George = 25
3. ErikG = 20

Most 0's Given by percentage
1. John Wilson (7.6%)
2. george (3.6%)
3. ErikG (2.9%)

Least 0's Given (none)
Walter
Simon
Nick
Matt
Lew
John Thomas
Dome
Brett

Top 3 Voters Most films seen (Old Fart Awards)
1. Bill McA (94%) - get a life bub! Posted Image :P)
2. Jim_K (84%) Posted Image ack! I should talk.
3. tie - SteveGon (81%)
tie - Justin (81%)

Top 3 Voters Least films seen (I'm guessing you're all very young)
1. Rob PS (14%)
2. Brett (20%)
3. Phillip G (31%)
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Posted January 18 2004 - 03:50 AM

More stats

Films everyone has seen (100% of the vote)

Gladiator
Batman (1989)
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Airplane!
Back to the Future
Ghostbusters
Sixth Sense, The
Saving Private Ryan
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Fargo
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
Terminator, The
Lord of the Rings, The: The Fellowship of the Ring
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Die Hard
Alien
Toy Story
Wizard of Oz, The
Silence of the Lambs, The


The film nobody has seen (1 vote)

Man Who Laughs, The
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Posted January 18 2004 - 04:20 AM

Top 20 Foreign Language Films (Silents excluded)

1. Rashômon
2. M
3. Boot, Das
4. Aguirre: The Wrath of God
5. Throne of Blood
6. Seventh Seal, The
7. Spirited Away
8. Wild Strawberries
9. Ran
10. Grand Illusion, The
11. 8½
12. Yojimbo
13. Hard-Boiled
14. Hidden Fortress, The
15. Bicycle Thief, The
16. Kwaidan
17. Princess Mononoke
18. In the Mood for Love
19. Suspiria
20. Grave of the Fireflies


The average rating for Foreign Language Films = 7.44
The Average for all films = 7.04

here's some voter stats on Foreign Language Films

If it has subtitles they will love it Award (j/k) Posted Image
1. Lew (8.71)
2. Walter (8.60)
3. Arman (8.55)

If they wanted to read they'd pick up a book Award
1. John Wilson (3.90)
2. LukeB (5.29)
3. george (5.30)

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Posted January 18 2004 - 04:53 AM

Yep, voter stats are pretty much what I expected, especially with John W and George being among the most extreme voters and the most anti-foreign.

I was going to do some stats on which voters were closest/furthest from my own tastes, but it was starting to look like way too much work.

Keep this stuff coming, Jim! And thanks for all your work on it!

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Posted January 18 2004 - 05:01 AM

Quote:
The film nobody has seen (1 vote)

Man Who Laughs, The

Jim, I thought you'd seen this?

Anyway, a good, if unsurprising list. Kudos for all the hard work.

Wow, I'm a generous voter? Posted Image FWIW, I rate films according to that maxim Roger Ebert's always quoting: "It's not what it's about, it's how it's about it."

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Posted January 18 2004 - 05:08 AM

Top 20 Comedies

1. Dr. Strangelove
2. Sullivan's Travels
3. Gold Rush, The
4. Modern Times
5. Trouble in Paradise
6. Some Like It Hot
7. It Happened One Night
8. My Man Godfrey (1936)
9. General, The
10. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
11. Bringing Up Baby
12. Princess Bride, The
13. Sting, The
14. Arsenic and Old Lace
15. Smiles of a Summer Night
16. Punch-Drunk Love
17. Lady Eve, The
18. Life of Brian
19. Mr. Hulot's Holiday
20. Harvey


The average score for Comedy Films = 6.93

Comedy Lovers Award
1. Dome (7.79)
2. Matt (7.58)
3. Brett (7.51)

Get a sense of humor Award
1. Jim_K (5.83) :b
2. Arman (5.97)
3. tie Justin (5.99)
tie ErikG (5.99)

I have to say this surprised me a little. There are only a handful of Comedies (funny or not) that I'd consider to be great films. I do view the majority of Comedies (especially over the last 20 years) as empty calories.

Looks like I've uncovered a little bias on my part.


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Posted January 18 2004 - 05:14 AM


Jim, I thought you'd seen this?

I have & mine was the only vote. You abstained on that one - post #1029 Posted Image
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Posted January 18 2004 - 05:23 AM

So I did. Duh, must have been a brain fart. I would have given it an 8, not that it would have mattered.

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Posted January 18 2004 - 05:24 AM

The two biggest surprises for me this poll were

1) Justin has seen so many non-horror movies, and furthermore actually doesn't necessarily hate films without any pain and suffering in them

2) George not getting a "comedy lovers award". How'd that happen?

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Posted January 18 2004 - 05:52 AM

I'm a bit confused about the comedy list. The Apartment finished overall higher than most of the comedies that made the comedy list, but it's not in the top 20 comedies?
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Posted January 18 2004 - 05:54 AM

This was fun, thanks for running it to the end, Jim.

Interesting stats, I had a feeling I might have been one of the more generous voters. I really thought Pulp Fiction would have cracked the Top 100.
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Posted January 18 2004 - 06:07 AM

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Top 3 Voters Least films seen (I'm guessing you're all very young)
1. Rob PS (14%)
2. Brett (20%)
3. Phillip G (31%)

Well, I've seen 51% of the "Top 100", and that ain't bad. Posted Image

Actually, I think it's more indicative of the fact that I avoid many of the so-called "classics", and can't afford to buy too many Criterion titles. Or maybe it's because I'm from England, and my country has a different bias on what makes a "classic" (I was amazed at how many of you abstained on my nominations). Oh yes, and I abstained on quite a few titles I'd not seen for a while. But very young?!! How dare you! Waahhhhhhhhh![/Baby Hermann]

Oh, I've seen 4 of the "Top 20" comedies. Which I find most amusing.*cough*crazy-American-sense-of-humour*cough*

As for the other categories, I seem to be distinctly average... Not sure how I should interpret that. Posted Image


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Posted January 18 2004 - 06:35 AM

The Apartment finished overall higher than most of the comedies that made the comedy list, but it's not in the top 20 comedies?


Ditto for Seven Samurai on the foreign list.

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Posted January 18 2004 - 06:40 AM

I've seen 81 of the top 100. There's several more that I'll be viewing in the next month or two.

It's too late to vote, but FWIW I'd give Robin Hood a 7.

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Posted January 18 2004 - 06:46 AM

Excellent work, Jim_K.

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Posted January 18 2004 - 06:49 AM

No offense meant Phillip. I should have considered that you're from across the pond & the different assortment of films available. BTW I consider anyone under 30 to be very young. Posted Image


The Apartment finished overall higher than most of the comedies that made the comedy list, but it's not in the top 20 comedies?

Films that are multi-genre such as Comedy/Drama have been segregated into one or the other category.

Since I didn't laugh once when watching The Apartment :P) , I dumped it into the Drama category.

Sorry for any confusion this caused. Posted Image

Top 20 Horror Films


1. Jaws
2. Rosemary's Baby
3. Dawn of the Dead
4. Frankenstein (1931)
5. Kwaidan
6. Nosferatu, a Symphony of Horror (1922)
7. Halloween
8. Shining, The
9. Suspiria
10. Texas Chain Saw Massacre, The (1974)
11. Bride of Frankenstein
12. Night of the Living Dead (1968)
13. Sixth Sense, The
14. Eraserhead
15. Carrie
16. Mummy, The (1932)
17. Dead Ringers
18. Omen, The
19. Carnival of Souls (1962)
20. Creature From the Black Lagoon


Average score for Horror Films = 6.88

Horror Lover Award (Stay away from my family)
1. Justin (8.38)
2. Walter (7.69)
3. Bill McA (7.66)

Weak Stomach Award (I'd wager they sleep with the lights on Posted Image )
1. John Wilson (3.14)
2. george (4.03)
3. Adam (5.83)

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Posted January 18 2004 - 07:04 AM

Not too surprised at some of the rankings. Particularly my overall level of generosity. Posted Image By their inclusion, most of the films in this poll had something that someone found worthwhile, and it is only rarely that I can't find some aspect of a film enjoyable. Even films that are uniformly slammed can have some redeeming aspects ( production design, score, etc. ) in my mind.

Thanks for all the work on this Jim.

- Walter 'the indiscriminate viewer' Posted Image

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