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#1 of 28 Eric Eash

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Posted January 11 2004 - 05:26 AM

i don't have a region free player yet, and have not seen a different region dvd yet, but i think we're getting screwed. after a long look at my local dvd store here in japan, i think they take dvds more serious over here than in the states which doesn't seem right since all the movies are made in the states. you guys should see the packaging on some of these dvds, i'm talking WOW!! Ronin, a good film, not the best, has a special edition with 3 discs and DTS. The really good films get even better treatment. I'm tempted to buy The Terminator Deluxe Edition just cause of the packaging, who cares if i can't read the menus. Reservior Dogs, which i love, has 4 discs! Dances with Wolves is packaged in a leather carrying case! the matrix has TWO discs!! alot more movies have DTS tracks also. granted, the prices are a little higher, but i guarantee if region 1 spent half as much time as they do here on dvd development, their sales would definately increase. gotta go do some research in the region free forum, but just wanted to let you guys know that region 1 dvd development is in need of serious attention.

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#2 of 28 Rob Lutter

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Posted January 11 2004 - 05:29 AM

They also have some great compressionists... R2 Japan DVDs are almost always of higher quality than their R1 counterparts. You pay the price for that quality however... Posted Image

#3 of 28 PaulP

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Posted January 11 2004 - 05:44 AM

Well something about having Japanese characters on packaging of an American movie doesn't sit well with me. I'll settle for the R1 counterparts.

#4 of 28 JonZ

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Posted January 11 2004 - 05:49 AM

I dont care much for SE treatment. I think 3 discs for Ronin is overkill.

But alot of titles that arent 16x9 here are in other regions(as well as DTS treatment).

I went region free in Dec and Im currently looking to other regions for titles like The Rocketeer and Robocop Dir Cut available in 16x9 overseas.

#5 of 28 Eric Eash

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Posted January 11 2004 - 06:00 AM

i speak and read some japanese, but i don't want it on the dvd cover or menus. but all titles are given royal treatment. and they do cost around 40%-50% more per title. it seems like japan is always ahead in some respect when it comes to anything electronic.

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#6 of 28 Kai Zas

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Posted January 11 2004 - 06:02 AM

Hehe... it's "shop @ another region"-day!

I've just placed an order for that very delicious Korean Band of Brothers limited edition. Topped it off with the Dances with Wolves you just spoke of and the SE of Dogville.

By the way, have you seen the R2 TNG and DS9 boxes? They look very good! If they keep that box design for Voyager as well, I think it would be a big selling point. People would just want more of those boxes, no matter how crappy the program itself, just to get the collection complete. And then there's the limited edition TNG pillar. Snazzy!

I don't have the R2 Trek series, but I do have R1 Buffy and Angel. And boy, those "books" look much better than the standard folding box most R1 tv shows get. Plus, R2 has been way ahead of the R1 schedule concerning those show. (Ok, PAL speedup can be annoying, but I started collection those when there wasn't even talk of an american release. And they are widescreen... not what Joss Whedon intended, and it shows.)

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Posted January 11 2004 - 06:46 AM

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Well something about having Japanese characters on packaging of an American movie doesn't sit well with me.

Nice bit of xenophobia, pal.

#8 of 28 PaulP

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Posted January 11 2004 - 07:06 AM

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Nice bit of xenophobia, pal.


Not at all. I actually love the Japanese culture. I have many Japanese films in my collection (mostly Criterions). And of course I love sushi. However, I feel that it's really weird having American movies in Japanese editions. I don't know, maybe it's just me...

#9 of 28 Paul James

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Posted January 11 2004 - 08:54 AM

Speaking of superior Japan DVD releases, anyone know where I can grab the Jurassic Park Japan Superbit DVD release ?

All of the online Japan retailers have it listed as 'out of print' Posted Image

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Posted January 11 2004 - 09:58 AM

I have been enjoying the 3 disc boxset of the hulk. Its from region 2. there is also a region 4 boxset.. The hulk dvd does include DTS. I watch that one all the time.

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Posted January 11 2004 - 10:05 AM

I don't agree. I think that some non-Region 1 releases are better than their R1 counterparts, but it's a bad generalization to say that all of them are. The proof of this is in how much effort everyone else in the world makes to get R1 discs. Take a look at sites like dvd-basen and DVD Debate, R1 Discs are always among the most popular, especially for mainstream titles. They come out first in the US, and very often they come out with more features and better transfers. The reason it might seem otherwise is that when non-R1 releases are better, they are usually WAY better Posted Image.

#12 of 28 Sean Campbell

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Posted January 11 2004 - 11:18 AM

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However, I feel that it's really weird having American movies in Japanese editions. I don't know, maybe it's just me...


Maybe I'm alone, but I've always liked having foreign language packaging on my DVDs. It makes my collection look as if it's full of exotic items that can't be got in any regular store Posted Image
As to which region is better, there is no real answer. Some region 1 discs are great, others are poor ( especially the non anamorphic or 4:3 releases that seem far more common in the US than elsewhere ). Extras aren't a priority for me as I usually buy on the strength of the transfer. I wouldn't buy a two disc set from the US if the movie was cropped or edited ( or heaven forbid dubbed ). I'd go for an extra free one disc edition in widescreen and with the original language track intact.

#13 of 28 Damin J Toell

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Posted January 11 2004 - 11:26 AM

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Nice bit of xenophobia, pal.


If you think that's xenophobic, you probably shouldn't go anywhere near the threads where people rail on Canadian DVDs that have French on the cover.

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Posted January 11 2004 - 12:05 PM

Although it may have been true in the early days of dvd, I believe that the number of region 1 imports due to earlier release dates are few, and those due to 'more features' are even fewer.

Also, the comment about better quality is not valid at all, in my opinion. Not only are most overseas titles equal in video and audio quality, you may find that signficantly more titles have things such as dts (and in the early days of dvd, anamorphic transfers).

In my opinion, the main reason why people today are importing is price. Plain and simple. Buffy, for example, can be shipped from the U.S. at half the Australian cost. This is an extreme example, sure, and to be fair Fox recently (temporarily) slashed the price. But there are abundant examples, if needed.

Sure, there will always be people who import because of reasons such as the lack of pal speed-up, and occassionaly a title may be unavailable locally at a particular point in time or lack certain features, but I definitely think the majority of imports are done because of cost savings. I'm basing this on my own experience, but also from what I've read in local newsgroups and forums similar to HTF.

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I don't agree. I think that some non-Region 1 releases are better than their R1 counterparts, but it's a bad generalization to say that all of them are. The proof of this is in how much effort everyone else in the world makes to get R1 discs. Take a look at sites like dvd-basen and DVD Debate, R1 Discs are always among the most popular, especially for mainstream titles. They come out first in the US, and very often they come out with more features and better transfers. The reason it might seem otherwise is that when non-R1 releases are better, they are usually WAY better .


#15 of 28 david_shy

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Posted January 11 2004 - 02:08 PM

Australian (Region 4) releases are usually not as good as releases from other regions, especially in terms of features, extras & packaging

DTS, for example, is fairly rare

Some transfers are pretty bad too (I won't get into any PAL vs NTSC debate here Posted Image ) Three Colours trilogy was taken from Television masters!

Having said that, some transfers are excellent, and refernce quality

A good site for comparision of Region 4 DVDs to Region 1 is www michaeldvd.com.au (sorry, can't post URLs yet)

They compare PQ, sound & features of a DVD to its' Region 1 equivalent, and other region if appropriate

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Posted January 11 2004 - 02:49 PM

I would agree that we miss out on dts quite oftenis region four, but by the same token we get it on releases where region one doesn't (finding nemo being a recent example).

DTS aside, the vast majoirty of the time we don't miss out on features.

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#17 of 28 david_shy

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Posted January 11 2004 - 03:52 PM

Matt'L

you are possibly right! This page on the site i mentioned gives a comparison of R4 vs R1 from a R4 buyer's point of view

www michaeldvd.com.au/R4vsR1/R4vsR1.asp

(sorry again, I cannot post URLs)

their reviewers determined 1409 "R4 Winners", 2521 "even", and 646 "R1 Winners"

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Posted January 11 2004 - 08:00 PM

But then again, Michael lets R4 win way too much just because of the extra PAL resolution....

Anyway, if I had to choose just one region for all future purchases, it would be R1 without any doubt. In fact, if I had to choose between R1 and all other regions I'd still choose R1.

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#19 of 28 EnricoE

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Posted January 11 2004 - 09:29 PM

let me jump here too.

region1 is for interesting because they mostly come much earlier then the german version. example:

finding nemo - us dvd at store 2 weeks before german theatrical release
tears of the sun - us dvd at store 3 months before german theatrical release
underworld - us dvd in stores 3 weeks before german theatrical release

these are only 3 films but it shows you we get screwed here. then there is the price which makes an import for us because of the strong euro even more attractive. when it comes to quality then mostly region1 is to go. many films that released in region1 by big studios like warner, fox paramount doesn't mean they going here also released by the same studio. sometimes they getting released here by some independent studios which release the dvd in weaker quality. example:

tomb raider 2 - us by paramount, german by concorde . there is a huge drop in the picture quality in camparison to region1
same thing with ballistc: eck vs. sever which is released in the us with a top notch transfer but the german dvd is not as good as the region1 warner disc.
then there is also the most annoying thing: forced subtitles when listen to orignal language track. when the film is in french or japanese then i don't have a problem with this feature but when it comes to english then i get really pissed by this.
we also have some dvds they were masters from beta tapes like some fox films: independence day, titan a.e., the abyss. fox also skipped the dolby digital 5.1 original language track on some of their titles like titanic or the negotiator (kevin spacey). how you gonna like this? fox said there was no more room to inlcude a 5.1 track. yeah, right Posted Image
also the pal speedup is a problem for me. as you can see the list is long why i prefer region1 dvds but if the region2 (german) dvd is better then the region1 in terms of quality i have no problem to buy it here even it would cost me a few bucks more Posted Image

#20 of 28 david_shy

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Posted January 11 2004 - 09:53 PM

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But The again, Michael lets R4 win way too much just because of the extra PAL resolution....


that's certainly true of him when there is no obvious/major difference between R4 & R1 release, I agree

as I said, I like R1 releases especially because of the price with the weak US$ & the (earlier) release dates.... currently R1 is pretty much all I'm buying


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