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Canadian GINGER SNAPS is cropped on 4X3 sets!


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#1 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark Palermo

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Posted September 26 2001 - 12:17 PM

I just received an advance copy of TVA's Ginger Snaps DVD. Yup, this is the feature loaded version that won't be available in the States. I'd heard the US version was pan and scan only, but for most people the Canadian disc won't be any better in this regard. Though the back of the box states "16x9 Anamorphic Widescreen", I wasn't getting a widescreen image on my 4X3 RPTV. No black bars and the opening credits were noticeably, heavily cropped. For interest, I set my player to 16X9 mode and the characters became thinner with more side info present. In other words, Ginger Snaps is anamorphically encoded so that unless you own a widescreen TV or wish to use the squeeze mode, you're stuck with a pan-and-scan version. What a disappointment! Wasn't it TVA that was also responsible for the Canadian Art of War fiasco? Mark
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#2 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark Cappelletty

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Posted September 26 2001 - 12:33 PM

You should check your player again, methinks. This sounds like this disc utilized the barely-used "Pan-and-Scan on the fly" feature that caused many people to be confused with the original pressing of Criterion's "Last Temptation of Christ." If you set your DVD player to normal 4x3 playback, this might look normal. I've never heard of a DVD that was 16x9 encoded but not downconvertable to letterbox format on 4x3 sets.

#3 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark McLeod

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Posted September 26 2001 - 12:43 PM

Mark #1. Yeah you should try what Mark #2 suggested. I had a problem recently with Memento and it displaying at 1.85:1 instead of 2.35:1 Mark
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#4 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark Zimmer

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Posted September 26 2001 - 01:46 PM

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Posted September 26 2001 - 01:59 PM

Can I join this club? Mark #5

#6 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark Palermo

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Posted September 26 2001 - 06:15 PM

Thanks for the advice Marks. But I don't have this pan-and-scan feature on my player, so I don't know if that's really a cause. It's first generation and there are only two settings: 4X3 and 16X9. The cropping occured while in the basic 4X3 mode that I use to watch everything. Mark
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Posted September 26 2001 - 06:26 PM

First gerneation and some second generation DVD players do not have the "pan & scan on the fly" feature in the menu options. You need to have a player with the 4x3 Letterbox or 4:3 Letterbox option in order to view these titles properly. Stinks, I know. But that is what happens when technology changes. ------------------

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Posted September 26 2001 - 08:30 PM

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First gerneation and some second generation DVD players do not have the "pan & scan on the fly" feature in the menu options.

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Say what? This is the first I've heard of this, and my first-generation Toshiba most definietly has both options (4:3 lbx, 4:3 p&s).
 

 


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Posted September 26 2001 - 09:03 PM

Oops. I should have put a most before the "First". I know my first DVD player, an RCA lacked this option of choosing between 4:3 letterbox or 4:3 pan & scan. My new Sony lets me choose. ------------------

#10 of 17 OFFLINE   Darcy Hunter

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Posted September 26 2001 - 09:08 PM

Is TVA the same company that screwed-up the original release of Art of War? It doesn't sound like the same problem that the AOW disc had (the film was encoded for 16x9 T.V.s, but you could not downconvert it to 4:3 dimensions which made everything tall and skinny on 4:3 sets). The fact that it shows extra information on the sides when you set your player to 16x9 is very interesting. When does this come out? I was looking forward to it, but I would really like to know if it is OAR and anamorphic.

#11 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark McLeod

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Posted September 27 2001 - 03:05 AM

Original Mark,

I didn't think an auto pan and scan option existed on my A320 Panasonic because I couldn't find it in the menus. Eventually I found it under other settings and it fixed the problem I was having with Alliance Memento.

I think this COULD be the problem you are having. Memento was 2.35:1 and the auto pan and scan (which was turned on my player with me even knowing since i hadn't had a problem) bumped it up to 1.85:1. Since Ginger Snaps was 1.85:1 it's possible that the auto pan/scan thing bumps it up to 4:3

Details on this can be found on this Canadian Memento thread.
http://www.hometheat....ML/030409.html

Apparently this feature does exist and is hardly used. The most notable title is The Last Temptation of Christ by Criterion.

Anyways, I hope this info helps Mark P. and I hope you can help me with what I asked you in private.

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#12 of 17 OFFLINE   Andy Kim

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Posted September 27 2001 - 05:33 AM

I knew the feature existed but never knew of any titles that utilized it. Are there any other titles that people know of that use this feature?

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Posted September 27 2001 - 06:04 AM

If your television does the anamorphic squeeze, then set your player to 16:9 and hit the 4:3/16:9 button on your TV's remote control.. A strange way to get around a problem, but it does work. (R2 Ghost in the Shell uses an anamorphic transfer, but is not coded as anamorphic, hence squishy anime, unless you squeeze it correctly.) A roundabout way of doing things.. sigh..

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Posted September 27 2001 - 06:12 AM

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I knew the feature existed but never knew of any titles that utilized it. Are there any other titles that people know of that use this feature?

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Aquarius uses it. Criterion's Last Temptation of Christ used it accedentally (no panning, it just cropped the sides and displayed the center of the frame), though it was fixed for later pressings.

Any disc with an anamorphic menu uses it. If you're player is set to 4:3, it'll crop the 16:9 menu to fit your television, whether you've set your player to lbx or p&s.

A few titles use it for 4:3 supplemental material. Anchor Bay's Halloween comes to mind. for the sake of consistency, the 4:3 documentary was windowboxed within the 16:9 frame. If you watch it on a 4:3 television, it'll just crop the black bars off the side.
 

 


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Posted September 27 2001 - 10:27 AM

Is the US version definately pan & scan? I guess I'm going to have to pick up the Canadian version. Hell, I should anyways for the extra features. I got a chance to see this at the Seattle Film Festival and really enjoyed it.

Can anyone recommend a good online Canadian DVD store?

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#16 of 17 OFFLINE   Mark McLeod

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Posted September 27 2001 - 11:19 AM

Ross,

From what I've heard the US one is Pan and Scan and barebones from Artisan. The canadian one is from TVA and an SE.

A good place for Canadian discs that I've never had a problem with is http://www.cnl.com I've bought both online and at their warehouse with no problems.

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Posted September 27 2001 - 02:53 PM

The Canadian disc features : 16 x 9 anamorphic widescreen 5.1 English track 5.1 French track audio commentary by director John Fawcett audio commentary by writer Karen Walton deleted scenes w/ separate audio commentary featurette audition & rehearsal footage Canadian theatrical trailer t.v. spots cast & crew bios photo galleries production design artwork and at least two Easter Eggs that I know of ! It's truly a beautiful disc and easily the most elaborate DVD ever done by a Canadian studio. It streets Oct 23. A friend in the industry slipped me one last weekend.




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