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#1 of 13 OFFLINE   David Illingworth II

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Posted December 02 2003 - 05:07 AM

I hope Dave can stop by and help me out on this one because he is the man on this sort of thing.
I've been enjoying the King of Queens: Season 1 set, but I was flipping through the enclosed episode guide and it says that Bill Cosby guest-stars in episode 22, "Where's Poppa?"
Being a Bill Cosby fan, I was looking forward to this one. Guess what? No Bill Cosby! So I went to tvtome.com to see what the deal was and apparently Becker is supposed to be in there too-- it's a whole cross-over episode! But none of this is in the episode on the DVD. It says the Doug gets hit on the head with a baseball ... nope. Not in the episode I've got here.
Can the King of Queens fans out there help me out? It's like I'm losing my mind!
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#2 of 13 OFFLINE   David Lambert

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Posted December 02 2003 - 06:01 AM

If by "Dave" you mean me, then I'm sorry that I can't help you right away. I have never found the show entertaining, and so I don't own the box set or know anything about the shows. To each their own, and this one is one of mine...sorry.

I'll look into your question, but I suspect that before I get too far in my research, a real KoQ fan will come along and clear things up. But I'll still ask around.
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#3 of 13 OFFLINE   David Illingworth II

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Posted December 02 2003 - 06:09 AM

Thanks, Dave. Yeah, I was referring to you since your the king of tv info around here.
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#4 of 13 OFFLINE   David Lambert

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Posted December 02 2003 - 06:15 AM

Well, I don't see any quick answers...there's only one review I could find online (thanks to DVD-Basen.dk), and that review - done by DVD Authority - sheds no light on the matter.

I checked out TVTome's entry, though, which is here. I notice that you say "Ep. 22", but TVTome says this should be Ep. 23! Are you sure you didn't just watch the wrong one? :wink:
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#5 of 13 OFFLINE   David Illingworth II

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Posted December 02 2003 - 06:24 AM

No, no ... I also noticed the difference in episode numbering. In fact, there is more than one instance of different numbering. For instance, tvtome and the index disagree over the last episode of the season.
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#6 of 13 OFFLINE   David Lambert

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Posted December 02 2003 - 06:45 AM

Hmmm...the thick plottens...
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#7 of 13 OFFLINE   Sven Lorenz

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Posted December 02 2003 - 08:57 AM

It looks like they did two versions of the episode - I've seen it on German TV several times and neither Bill Cosby nor Ted Denson appear in the episode.

Maybe they did one version for that "special Crossover Monday" and one version for all future airings when the episodes from the other shows are not shown on the same evening.

That way they wouldn't have to pay Cosby or Denson everytime the episode airs.

#8 of 13 OFFLINE   Malcolm R

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Posted December 02 2003 - 09:08 AM

Sounds like Sven might have it. It wouldn't make much sense as a crossover if you don't have the other episodes bookending it. And from a syndication standpoint, it doesn't make much financial sense to completely throw away the episode. So they probably shot some additional filler to replace the crossover/guest scenes for future airings. Plus the royalties issue Sven noted.
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Posted December 02 2003 - 09:26 AM

Maybe it's a joke?

#10 of 13 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted December 02 2003 - 09:41 AM

My memory of this is very vague, but I think that all of the episodes that night were a similar theme, but the only interaction of characters across shows was in little segments between the shows.
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#11 of 13 OFFLINE   David Illingworth II

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Posted December 02 2003 - 10:21 AM

Funny isn't it though that the dvd insert specifically highlights this episode as "starring" Bill Cosby? I mean, each episode has one sentence describing it in the guide, and Bill Cosby is in that sentence. He's the main draw for this episode according to the packaging and he's not even in it!
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#12 of 13 OFFLINE   Chris_Morris

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Posted December 02 2003 - 10:43 AM

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I also noticed the difference in episode numbering. In fact, there is more than one instance of different numbering. For instance, tvtome and the index disagree over the last episode of the season.


Perhaps the DVD is in production order, not airdate order. This would put "Art House" as the last episode on the DVD, while "Maybe Baby" would have been the last episode shown during the season run.


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#13 of 13 OFFLINE   Randy A Salas

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Posted December 02 2003 - 02:17 PM

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My memory of this is very vague, but I think that all of the episodes that night were a similar theme, but the only interaction of characters across shows was in little segments between the shows.


That's exactly how it was done. The crossover segments were all shown as tags--the little bit that airs after the final commercial and/or after or during the end credits.

Here's part of a write-up by Broadcasting & Cable on the ratings stunt:

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On May 3, CBS is perpetrating a shameless sweeps stunt, one that network executives are calling "Even More Shameless Crossovers" (a reference to last year's shameless sweeps stunt). All four CBS Monday night comedies (Cosby, Becker, King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond) are getting together. Bill Cosby, Ray Romano and King of Queens' Kevin James all wind up at Ted Danson's inner-city medical practice on Becker. Cosby, Romano and James will use the final minutes of their respective sitcoms to lead viewers into Danson's TV practice as Becker opens with the three sitcom stars sitting in the waiting room.

I imagine that 30 seconds to a minute of programming was simply replaced by a longer end credits or just deleted entirely on the DVD (and for syndication, as Sven pointed out). It would have been weird to include it on the DVD anyway since it would have been completely out of context.

I bet the copy writer for the liner-note description simply played up the most obvious angle (Bill Cosby guest stars!) from reading program logs and didn't actually watch the episode to see that (a) Cosby wasn't there and (b) if he were, it would have been just a fleeting appearance.

If you're still with me (Posted Image), the mistake is in the short description, not the episode on the disc. Otherwise, you'd be posting something along the lines of "What the heck is that unfinished bit about Becker on the King of Queens episode that features Bill Cosby for 10 seconds?"
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