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#1 of 37 OFFLINE   PhilipG

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Posted October 07 2003 - 09:27 PM

The other night I watched my new DVD of Enigma - a truly brilliant film. While looking up the director's bio I realized he also directed the stinkfest The World Is Not Enough. I was shocked, to put it mildly. No doubt I underestimated the importance of other factors (writer/producer/editor/cast/etc).

So can you name two films, one you loved, one you hated from the same director?

(Here's an extra one from me: I adored Anthony Minghella's The English Patient, but utterly loathed The Talented Mr Ripley.)

#2 of 37 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted October 07 2003 - 11:45 PM

This is easy, and I could probably do it for many directors, but the obvious one is Ingmar Bergman.

The Seventh Seal is a truly great film.

Cries & Whispers is my most despised film of all time.
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#3 of 37 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted October 08 2003 - 01:54 AM

What George said on being able to do it for a great many directors. Jean Cocteau comes immediately to mind with:

Beauty and the Beast, which I consider a magical film—great from almost every perspective and

The Blood of a Poet, which may be important as a piece of surrealism, but is so incredibly amateurish that it belongs in the dreaded ‘student film’ category. Plus I consider parts pretentious in the extreme.
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#4 of 37 OFFLINE   MartinTeller

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Posted October 08 2003 - 02:55 AM

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Cries & Whispers is my most despised film of all time.


Time and time again, I've seen you proclaim a deep hatred for this movie. I can understand not liking it, but I can't understand why someone would hate it with so much vitriol. What's the deal, George? Isn't something like Airheads or Battlefield Earth or Biodome more deserving?

#5 of 37 OFFLINE   Zen Butler

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Posted October 08 2003 - 03:23 AM

Lew beat me to it. In the spirit of the new Italian poll I'd say Antonioni:

L'Avventura - One of the best Italian films ever.
Zabriskie Point- IMO, frivolous and a snoozer.

You could do this all day. Almodovar, Woody Allen, Speilberg anyone?

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#6 of 37 OFFLINE   Brook K

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Posted October 08 2003 - 03:55 AM

I'm hardpressed to come up with anything. If I'm a fan of a directors work, they just don't make movies that I hate. I guess I could go with Woody Allen or DePalma, but there's usually a few times I'll laugh even in the Allen movies I don't care for and Mission to Mars is terrible, but I can't say I hated it.

I guess the best I can do (and keeping in the Italian spirit):

Giuseppe Tornatore
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#7 of 37 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted October 08 2003 - 04:20 AM

Well Martin, it's hard to explain because it's not so much an objective analysis as it is an overall impression. Let's just say that when I finish watching a film, I'm either pleased, unimpressed/indifferent, or irritated. It's hard to say, in most cases, why I'm irritated. For a film like Do the Right Thing, it's easy to say, it's because I view the film as promoting racism.

For Cries & Whispers, I can only say that the characters, the story, the cheap symbolism of the color schema, they all just irritated the hell out of me. I saw a film that just had a bunch of bitchy sisters hating each other, I guess due to something when they were children, though it was never explained to my satisfaction. Why did these sisters do what they did to themselves and each other? I don't know, and the film didn't make me care. I felt like I lived next door to these psycho bitches and I just wanted to move away and not have to deal with them.

Similarly, the characters in Jules & Jim all irritated the hell out of me. Maybe it's that I just can't relate to their bizarre behavior. I don't know. Maybe it's some deep-rooted psychological problem in me. I don't know.

Let's just say that I feel the same way after viewing Cries & Whispers that Brook feels when he hears me talk about it. Brook can't help feeling irritated by my opinions anymore than I can help feeling irritated by the film. Posted Image
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#8 of 37 OFFLINE   Angelo.M

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Posted October 08 2003 - 04:35 AM

David Fincher...

Loved: Seven.
Hated: Alien 3.


#9 of 37 OFFLINE   Patrick McCart

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Posted October 08 2003 - 04:44 AM

Richard Lester:

Great: Help!
Awful: Superman III

Alfred Hitchcock

Great: Vertigo
Awful: Torn Curtain

#10 of 37 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted October 08 2003 - 08:10 AM

Well avoiding the terms 'awful' or 'hated', etc., let's just say the following are examples of films by a director that I love and one I dislike to varying degrees. Posted Image

Kubrick

Posted Image Dr. Strangelove
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Hitchcock

Posted Image Rear Window
Posted Image Under Capricorn

Coppola

Posted Image The Godfather
Posted Image Finian's Rainbow

James Cameron

Posted Image The Terminator
Posted Image Titanic

Woody Allen

Posted Image Sleeper
Posted Image Annie Hall

Joseph L. Mankiewicz

Posted Image The Ghost & Mrs. Muir
Posted Image All About Eve

John Ford

Posted Image Mister Roberts
Posted Image The Searchers

etc., etc.
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#11 of 37 OFFLINE   Nick Sievers

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Posted October 08 2003 - 08:15 AM

John Carpenter:

Great: The Thing (he has other greats as well)

Awful: Ghosts of Mars
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#12 of 37 OFFLINE   Rob P S

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Posted October 08 2003 - 10:03 AM

Terence Malick:
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The Thin Red Line Posted Image

Bob Clark:
A Christmas Story Posted Image
Porky's Posted Image

John Singleton:
Boyz N the Hood Posted Image
2 Fast 2 Furious Posted Image

Rob Reiner:
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#13 of 37 OFFLINE   Bill J

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Posted October 08 2003 - 11:32 AM

Kubrick
2001: A Space Odyssey - Posted Image
Full Metal Jacket - Posted Image

#14 of 37 OFFLINE   JohnRice

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Posted October 17 2003 - 05:31 PM

I'll take a lead from George. I have never cared much for anything by Spike Lee, but 25th Hour knocks me out.


I'll get obscure. Hope I'm remembering this right. Geoff Murphy did the fine little Sci/Fi film The Quiet Earth and then went on to make things like Species 2.

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Posted October 17 2003 - 05:55 PM

James Cameron:

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Posted October 18 2003 - 03:13 AM

Kubrick:
Dr. Strangelove-One of my absolute favorite films of all-time.
2001: One of my most despised.
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Posted October 18 2003 - 06:04 AM

Krzysztof Kieslowski
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- I fucking hated that ending to Blue. It sums up almost everything I hated about that movie.

Strangely enough, I don't get much hell about me hating this film relative to george hating Cries and Whispers. Posted Image

#18 of 37 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted October 18 2003 - 10:21 AM

I haven't yet seen Blue, but when I do, if I end up hating it, I will get the flak, and you'll get collateral damage. Posted Image
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#19 of 37 OFFLINE   Jack Shappa

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Posted October 18 2003 - 10:33 AM

Wow, no mention of George Lucas yet. What restraint! Posted Image

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P.S. Is this ever subjective. I see several people listing "bad" movies that I thought were good like Full Metal Jacket, Talented Mr. Ripley, Alien 3, etc.

#20 of 37 OFFLINE   PhilipG

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Posted October 18 2003 - 06:56 PM

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Is this ever subjective

You betcha. Here's another example:

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Krzysztof Kieslowski
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Posted Image - Blue

I have the exact opposite reaction to these two. Posted Image





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